General Climate Discussion

[Jackal1]

No, I didn`t forget. That was your line.
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You also forgot to mention that a "rotting fores emitting CO2" in our days is probably a forest that has been bulldozed or burned down

Maybe in Iceland, but not here.

[Angus]

Our woodland(25% of coverage down to 1%) actually got worked down, used for fuel and wood. Now it's increasing again.
In Europe it is increasing, while rapidly DECREASING in every continent of the world.
So, wherever your "here" is, your woodland is on the down slope.
BTW, where did that carbon tied up in wood come from and how? Care to shed some light from your bulb on that?

[sluggish]

China battles "coldest winter in 100 years"

Good thing they changed the name of their pet fear from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change."

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Angus
BTW, nice website there;)

Quite informative:

 

Looks like Global sea ice dropped for 3 or 4 years, but is back to normal this year if I read the anomoly line correctly.

Looks like its been pretty close to  the average of 18 to 19 Million sq KM since 1979.

[balance1]

I agree with holden, I mean those charts dont lie

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by balance1
I agree with holden, I mean those charts dont lie

Here ya go balance1 check out Arctic Climate Research at the University of Illinois don't take it at face value.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
Our woodland(25% of coverage down to 1%) actually got worked down, used for fuel and wood. Now it's increasing again.
In Europe it is increasing, while rapidly DECREASING in every continent of the world.
So, wherever your "here" is, your woodland is on the down slope.
BTW, where did that carbon tied up in wood come from and how? Care to shed some light from your bulb on that?

Flip/Flop.
Do try to keep up Angus instead of attempting to put words in my mouth.....or in this case, fingers.

[Angus]

There is something that jostles the sea ice quantity a bit, - that's the breakoffs. Those have been quite impressive in recent years, thereby temporarily filling in the gap. I wonder if there is some hint for quantity rather than area.

[Angus]

Ah, good old Wiki, - nice animation here.
Here is something graphically demonstrating the volume.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_ice_packs

And a graph





"Arctic Sea ice reached record lows in September, 2007. The Northwest Passage opened for the first time during satellite recordings."

So, I was right, - it was the all time low on Holden's Graph, and for me it's neither big nor bad news if we don't beat the record again.
But didn't the NW passage open some hundreds of years ago?

[wrag]

Looks like some new reports are coming in...............

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

interesting?

[Holden McGroin]

Even if your link worked, it would be a link to an articleabout  global cooling, which is change, which is due to us burning fossil fuels.

This is just another nail in the coffin of the so called debate about global climate change.

[Angrist]

Global Warming....Global Cooling....Climate Change.....


Yep, they got it all covered!!  

[wrag]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Even if your link worked, it would be a link to an articleabout  global cooling, which is change, which is due to us burning fossil fuels.

This is just another nail in the coffin of the so called debate about global climate change.

How strange?

Got the article link from the Drug Report?

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

[wrag]

Hmmm


Linky no worky

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289

It's just above this article on the Drudge Report

http://www.drudgereport.com/

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by wrag
Looks like some new reports are coming in...............

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

interesting?

Very.

It just shows that you truly didn't even try to understand what factors were behind anthropogenic global warming.  You simply lean on.. if it's showing cooler this week... it all must not be true.  You are dealing in one dimension (oh my it's cold right now), with a problem which is multi-dimensional.

Large swings in both positive and negative should be expected, with the increases of total energy contained within the system (earth).  It really isn't up for debate... it's obvious that climate worldwide is CHANGING.  We can debate what is changing it... yet the fact it is happening is irrefuteable.  Storms (NOT HURRICANES) are getting more intense and not being defined by their seasons anymore. (tornadic activity in Midwest in... FEBRUARY...Pacific Northwest has had the worst winter on record... most coastal erosion recorded.)  

Doesn't anyone else just feel things are "off"?  

In 2006, five states had their warmest December on record (Minnesota, New York, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire) and no state was colder than average. The Japan Meteorological Agency reported that January 2007 was the world's hottest January on record, with temperatures across the planet registering 0.45 degrees Celsius (0.8 degrees Fahrenheit) above average. Residents of the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area have this week been hit by a 'gusty wintry wallop' and are experiencing below-average temperatures for this month. Yet, the deviation below the average temperature for February is still less than the above-average deviation that D.C. residents experienced during the month of January. While the climate change trend is clear, the weather patterns at different moments in time will be hard to predict.

(2008)The world's land areas were on average 3.4 degrees Fahrenheit warmer last month than a normal January, a major increase since 'such records are often broken by hundredths of a degree at a time.' With the help of El Nino, which the scientists assert was only partial, traditionally frigid areas of the world witnessed huge temperature spikes, such as Siberia, where January temperatures were recorded as much as 9 degrees Fahrenheit above normal. While global warming skeptics have cited the colder February air as evidence against global warming, climate scientist David Easterling said the patterns witnessed last month are indicative of man-made climate change. Larger increases in temperature farther north, compared to mid-latitudes, is 'sort of the global warming signal,' Easterling countered. The scientists warn that such records could become commonplace as the Earth continues to warm."

I don't think we're going to fix it, and I'm not putting forth any ideas to do so.  I simply think the time for debating it's happening has long passed.