General Climate Discussion

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I am quite well read on the subject.

 

Books like these doesnt count, moron.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Hortlund


Books like these doesnt count, moron.

Hortland IMHO your response to Holden was unwarranted, insulting, and spiteful.  

You are IMHO starting to sound like child?  

Are you getting upset and calling names because someone doesn't agree with you?  

Is it your goal to get this thread closed while you THINK you're winning the argument?

Perhaps the idea is to draw attention away from the discussion topic?

I have to say here that IMHO Hortland is sounding very much like one of those VIOLENT left wing types that is VERY willing to take EVERYONES right away and REQUIRE that EVERYONE do things HIS WAY OR ELSE!

Perhaps somewhere there is a movement for Hortland for KING of the world?

Telling you right now I am NOT a member of any such group!

IMHO what Hortland posted was a blatant ATTACK on another persons right to have an opinion that is different.

[AKIron]

Wrag, are you qualified to make such an assessment of Hortlund? What law school did you go to?

[wrag]

Originally posted by AKIron
Wrag, are you qualified to make such an assessment of Hortlund? What law school did you go to?

Assessment?

Perhaps it was such.

You did notice I mostly asked questions?

True I am stating opinion, yet IMHO what Hortland said was an ATTACK.

Law School?

So you're saying Law School is required to recognize bad manners?

[AKIron]

No law school huh? What gall you have to judge the judge.

He'll be by soon asking for your transcripts or pedigree, just giving you a heads up so you can get them in order.

[Arlo]

Halt! Papers!






















Doobage!*




















*Had to add that in, every reference to smoking pot from me convinces Laz his perception of me is on the mark.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by wrag
You are IMHO starting to sound like child?  
 

Why is there a question mark at the end of that sentence?

[wrag]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Why is there a question mark at the end of that sentence?

It allows for inserting something worse or better depending.............

It's a question left open...................

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2
sheesh.. well.. at least the hand wringers are starting to admit that natural causes come into play.

I am saying that the math on man made C02 doesn't add up.. that at best.. it is about 3% of the global climate change.   if that is the case then it is indeed the fact that IT'S THE SUN STUPID.

It can't be co2.. the math doesn't work.. the logic that the hand wringers and left wingers use is...

"well... it is nothing we can see so it must be man made co2"  Then, when the math doesn't add up they say.."it must be some complex interaction between co2 and something else and we just don't know enough about it yet."

Problem is.. the logic behind this is glaringly wrong.   If the math doesn't add up then why not just dismiss man made c02?  why not just say that it is one of a dozen of natural things that is causing this nice warm spell and admit that we don't understand how they all work?

The "logic" we are supposed to swallow continues with "sure.. co2 has always followed warming spells not lead them but... now we think that things have changed.  the rules no longer apply"

But... when you show that the sun has always led climate change and that it has done so recently... they say... "but..but...it hasn't worked out exactly to the day like it has in the past so it is not worth thinking about."  

Solar activity has gone down..we will see a cooling.  It may not have reacted as rapidly as in the past but other things may be happening that I, or them have no way of knowing or understanding at this time.

Why choose the man made agenda unless... unless you do have an agenda.

moray himself says he doesn't think man made co2 is fully or even significantly responsible for the warming trend.

In the end... it is all good.

Anyone here suffering?   people suffer in the cold..  it will get cold soon enough.   relax and enjoy natures bounty.  bunch of frigging old ladies.

lazs

Another wall of text rehash.  Lazs really has run out of things to say.  This ongoing text is full of conspiracy theorist BS that drivels like a 10 month old.  Seriously, AKH has posted 15 different papers you should take a day long look at.  I've posted many of the same papers.  Lazs, sit down, shut up and read them... ask questions about the technical parts that you won't understand....  THEN make a complete, INFORMED opinion.  

You are constantly picking and choosing what people say... I didn't say that man made CO2 wasn't significantly responsible... I SAID.. "CO2 isn't a strong greenhouse gas, it is a third rate one at best".   At no point did I say what you have turned it into.

Also, PLEASE POST A PAPER THAT SHOWS THE MATH IS WRONG.  (WITH THE MATH INVOLVED, CONTAINED WITHIN.)

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by wrag
It allows for inserting something worse or better depending.............

It's a question left open...................

You fail: grammar.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Hortlund
You fail: grammar.

Really?

HMMMMMM...................... well............


I DON'T CARE.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I am quite well read on the subject.



This is the start of our discussion where I took issue.

You ask, “Now the sun only has 25% to 75% of the total effect?" and you use his signature of "It's the sun stupid" as evidence (to you) of an apparent contradiction.


By the way, your 100 degrees v 75 degrees is not an accurate analogy.  Your choice of a 75 to 100 degree day and country of would tend to indicate a Fahrenheit scale, and a 25 degree swing is only about a 4.5% temperature swing, as of course as a scientist you know about the absolute temperature scale.

Sir, percentage is based upon the measurement scale used...

 You'd only be right if I had posted in degrees K or R, and then used it as a percent marker... which I did neither.

[lazs2]

apparently you have run out of things to say moray.   What do you think is causing this pleasantly warm period in our climate?

Why does any interaction of forces that change the climate a degree of two have to be man made?

Why is it not some natural combination?    The point is...  the natural ones are dismissed by the hand wringers as not fitting a model... a model that they never even studied till a few decades ago....

but any man made causes are given high priority even tho they don't fit into any model at all...

Co2 has ALWAYS lagged a rise in global temp.. it has never led.   Sooooo... by the hand wringers logic.. we can dismiss it.

And.. also by their logic.. since no man made cause can be found.. the math doesn't add up....

We can dismiss all man made causes.   no matter what the little charts show.. the math does not add up..  Co2 can't be the reason so man made greenhouse gas can't be the reason for more than an insignificant amount.

Unless you guys are going back to cow farts?  we can discuss that if you like.

holden gets it... if man made co2 is causing change then it pales by in comparisson to the sun.    

Why don't the hand wringers admit that they don't fully understand how the suns activity (including solar wind) works?

Why don't they admit they don't fully understand aerosols and sea floor spreading and core shifts and el nino/la nina?

AKH shows charts from a simulation...  garbage in... garbage out.   the "simulation" has never predicted climate change.. did you know that?   it has only "predicted" what has happened in the past.. there are no future predictions.. not even for 5 years.   not even for one... in fact.. the data had to be adjusted several times when old temperature data was found to be inaccurate.

Show us the computer simulation models for the next ten years and I bet farmers almanac does a better job.

lazs

[lazs2]

and... if one degree warmer is gonna be the end of all times by the next century... what will say..   2 degrees cooler be like?   It is gonna get cooler.. the suns activity (for the most part) has slowed.   it is gonna get cooler.

This is not a good thing.   I, like every living thing, like these warmer periods in our global climate.  I guess the hand wringers just want to tax us for having too good a time... as usual...

I started with the IT'S THE SUN STUPID as a play on politics... and the lefties who like to shout out simplistic sound bites...  I used it as a sig when some hand wringer here said that he would post some wall of words article from a brit paper about how the sun has been dismissed because it only worked for a couple of eons and now after a few years it wasn't following the exact model they liked.     He never did do as he said tho.    

So.. relax... be happy.. it is cold enough in the winter...enjoy the tiny improvement over the really really cold ones...

Wait till august to try to panic people again when they are feeling some heat.   They might ask you to show some real numbers if you tell them they have to give the UN or algore another buck or two a gallon in taxes to "end man made global warming"

While they are scraping ice off the windshield and trying to get to work.

lazs

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by MORAY37
Sir, percentage is based upon the measurement scale used...

 You'd only be right if I had posted in degrees K or R, and then used it as a percent marker... which I did neither.

When was the last time you enjoyed walking outside on a 75K or 75R day?

Percentage based on F or C is meaningless.  You should know that.