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Offline straffo

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #705 on: December 03, 2007, 01:10:09 PM »
75 Kelvin is dam cold
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Offline AKH

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #706 on: December 03, 2007, 01:57:20 PM »
To summarise for Lazs...

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #707 on: December 03, 2007, 01:57:39 PM »
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Sir, percentage is based upon the measurement scale used...

 You'd only be right if I had posted in degrees K or R, and then used it as a percent marker... which I did neither.


Just to clear up a detail...
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Therefore, just by using your own statements..., the minimum effect you believe anthropogenic forcing to have is 25%....(the theoretical difference between having a 100 degree day versus a 75 degree day) so there is no man made climate forcing? Or there is>? You seem more confused than the sources you quote.


"anthropogenic forcing to have is 25%....(the theoretical difference between having a 100 degree day versus a 75 degree day)"

There is your quoted refererence to a perecentage.

So unless you enjoy a 75 K or 75 R day, you did both.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #708 on: December 03, 2007, 02:11:55 PM »
akh...  I would never put my butt up in the air like that around you lefties.

lazs
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #709 on: December 03, 2007, 02:19:56 PM »
Hey, we need somewhere to park our bicycles.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #710 on: December 03, 2007, 02:25:53 PM »
Is that what "you people" are calling it these days?

not that there is anything wrong with that....

lazs
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #711 on: December 03, 2007, 02:33:42 PM »
I believe it's been called that for quite a while now...

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #712 on: December 03, 2007, 02:52:59 PM »
yeah... ok.. like I said.. it really is none of my business.. if that is the way you go then more power to you.. I just don't want to have to see it and don't do it in front of the kids.

I am glad that you let me in on the code tho.. I am finally starting to understand what those guys in the spandex and girl shirts are saying when they say "I am going for a bike ride"

It is starting to make sense.

lazs
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Offline john9001

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #713 on: December 03, 2007, 02:55:18 PM »
quote from a college instructor, "if your computer model does not give you the results you expected, you need to adjust your model."
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #714 on: December 03, 2007, 03:03:55 PM »
yep.. and with the computer ones.. they aren't even bothering to predict future climate except for 50 or 100 years down the road when it is too late and they have gotten what they wanted...

Hell.. they are adjusting the computer whenever some old climate data changes or is found to match some graph they make up.  

let's see their model for next year and the year after.. 5 years... lets wait to see if it comes true and then start to listen to em.

What cracks me up is that they knew nothing about climate science a few years ago and now.. all of a sudden.. they know everything and guess what?

it is too late!!! the sky is falling!! we have to do something now!!!   How convienient.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #715 on: December 03, 2007, 03:11:45 PM »
Let see your model.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #716 on: December 04, 2007, 09:19:40 AM »
a better thing for you to ask would be to see their model.   Have them show you next months projection.... next years.. 5 years...  

My model is better than theirs.. I say it will get colder eventually..  that means mine will be right for the future at least once.. so far as I can tell.. theirs has NEVER been right unless it is to predict the past.

Is a bad computer model better than no model at all?    Should you act on the results of a bad computer model?

lazs
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #717 on: December 04, 2007, 09:54:18 AM »
By your twisted logic, you'd have a stopped watch in preference to one that runs slow or fast, since the latter is always wrong, whereas the stopped watch is correct twice a day.

From your comments, it's fairly apparent that you know little or nothing about climate models.  No great surprise there, though.

We now return you to your scheduled ranting...
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #718 on: December 04, 2007, 10:07:35 AM »
computer models showed 07 to a year of many strong hurricanes.

"dude, where's my hurricanes?"
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #719 on: December 04, 2007, 02:04:42 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
a better thing for you to ask would be to see their model.   Have them show you next months projection.... next years.. 5 years...  

My model is better than theirs.. I say it will get colder eventually..  that means mine will be right for the future at least once.. so far as I can tell.. theirs has NEVER been right unless it is to predict the past.

Is a bad computer model better than no model at all?    Should you act on the results of a bad computer model?

lazs


how do you check the coherence of a model without using data from the past ?
or have you a way to have data from the future ?
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