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Offline Angus

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1050 on: December 27, 2007, 03:13:46 AM »
And global stands for the total effect.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1051 on: December 27, 2007, 07:24:27 AM »
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And global stands for the total effect.


As used in Global Scamming.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1052 on: December 27, 2007, 07:57:58 AM »
Like I said angus..   The US must be blessed by god...  unless of course you use ground weather station info..  that data is all screwed up with about half or more of the stations reading higher than they should do to urban sprawl and poor maintenance of the stations.    poor placement.

If you look at that data... we are having about a degree change in the last century.. If you look at the more accurate satellite data... not so much.. no real warming for the last couple of decades... guess god must keep the co2 level down here.

I guess god hates the rest of you since you are all living on scorched earth in famine and plague with no water and all.   That one degree this century has pretty much wiped out the rest of you.

sorry about that.. if we could just get 4 more people to not drive SUV's in America... it would probly save one or two million lives by the year 2100.    If only the US would give a paltry few dozen trillions of dollars to the UN we could slow this catastrophe that has fried so many and drown so many others so far.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1053 on: December 27, 2007, 02:49:37 PM »
Like I said Lazs, the USA is a continent, and on some continental areas there seems to not so much warming trend. Maybe more spiky in time periods where no big events like the Laki eruption occure.
And the US is just not very big compared to the oceans.
So, basically you have idle blocks smaller in size, and big bodies that are warming.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1054 on: December 27, 2007, 03:01:44 PM »
even more odd than that..  the areas that keep the best records have the least warming.

We have had some natural warming.. it has been good for us.. unfortunately it is about over and we will start into a cooling trend..  cooling is worse than warming..

with luck.. it will not get too cold before it gets warm again.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1055 on: December 27, 2007, 03:28:06 PM »
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Like I said Lazs, the USA is a continent, and on some continental areas there seems to not so much warming trend. Maybe more spiky in time periods where no big events like the Laki eruption occure.
And the US is just not very big compared to the oceans.
So, basically you have idle blocks smaller in size, and big bodies that are warming.


The USA is on a continent but share it with a few other countries such as Canada and Mexico.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1056 on: December 28, 2007, 02:25:27 AM »
And landmass as a total is only some 30% of the globe.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1057 on: December 28, 2007, 08:28:16 AM »
angus.. my point is.. the better the records.. the less "catastrophe" you see.   we are talking one degree here in a century..  it is less than the margin of error.

We are talking very accurate data for the last 20 years from sats and the more accurate the data.. the less scary it is.   Use the land based data here and it is a disaster... till you realize it is all worthless data.   just like the computer models.. they have predicted the past.. until you find out that the past isn't  the same as they said... the computer shows this nice even rise with no spike in the 30's..  then... when they find out the 30's were the hottest years ever.. they just change the computer model to show how they had "predicted" that.

But... what bad things have happened so far?    due to any warming... man made or natural?    will you admit that 2 degrees below "normal" would be one hell of a lot worse?

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1058 on: December 28, 2007, 10:50:47 AM »
We are also talking of no margin of error in SL rise, Ice melting, Ice melting speed acceleration and.......SL rise matching with Ice melting.
Anyway, 1 degree is like 1 degree, but it is aqtually quite a bit.
2 degrees more would be fine for where I live thank you (;)), however not so nice for southernmore areas when it sets in...
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1059 on: December 28, 2007, 02:53:55 PM »
sea level is rising at exactly the same rate today as it was 150 years ago.

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1060 on: December 28, 2007, 06:58:17 PM »
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« Reply #1061 on: December 29, 2007, 04:30:46 AM »
That settles that Lazs. Please stop repeating wrong statements.
Amd where do you suppose the water is coming from anyway...
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1062 on: December 29, 2007, 08:41:56 AM »
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That settles that Lazs.


One study settles it?  is there an independant review of this study since Jan 2006? Repeatablity is still part of the scientific method isn't it?
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1063 on: December 29, 2007, 09:02:07 AM »
Well, at the very minimum that report should give New Orleaners plenty of time to evacuate before their city becomes the next Atlantis.

Maybe.

But probably not.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1064 on: December 29, 2007, 09:59:59 AM »
Or you could believe this study that makes more sense..   Just like "man made global warming"  they really can't figure it out with any confidence.. but it looks to be nothing special...

http://www.agu.org/revgeophys/dougla01/node3.html

"What are we to make of this? Unfortunately, there are complicating factors beyond the issue of PGR, and published results reflect a lack of consensus as to how to deal with them as well. In addition to whether or not PGR was explicitly modeled, differences between analyses include data record length, tide gauge station selection criteria, and analysis method. The inability of investigators to arrive at a consensus concerning the rate of global sea level rise, or even how to approach the problem, has led some authors to conclude that global sea level rise cannot be measured at all.  Barnett [1984] states that ``it is not possible to uniquely determine either a global rate of change of sea level or even the average rate of change associated with the existing inadequate data set.''  Emery and Aubrey [1991] state that (p. 176) ``At present, we cannot discover a statistically reliable rate for eustatic rise of sea level alone''  Pirazzoli [1993] is the most pessimistic, declaring that ``the determination of a single sea-level curve of global applicability is an illusory task.''


some things are certain..  there were no accurate measurements before 1990... some areas are rising and others are sinking....  Ocean levels have risen at a faster rate in the past.

and...  every predicition that has been made for the rate we have today has been greatly exaggerated.

they take us for suckers cause we are...

every article you read tells you the horror that will happen decades from now.. none is honest enough to tell you nothing bad or unusual has happened yet or.. will happen next year.

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