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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2007, 07:49:40 PM »
so...whats the difference between a router and a switch? aside from the fact that the router has little antenna's on it.

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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2007, 08:02:54 PM »
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so...whats the difference between a router and a switch? aside from the fact that the router has little antenna's on it.


Easiest way to say it:
Routers are switches that have firewalls built into them (and have wireless antenna options too).  Switches do not have a firewall.
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2007, 08:13:00 PM »
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so...whats the difference between a router and a switch? aside from the fact that the router has little antenna's on it.


Routers enable traffic between different networks. Switches or hubs facilitate traffic between 2 or more computers on the same network.

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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2007, 09:33:52 PM »
so i could toss the POS router i have, run 2 switches (the one i bought only has 5 ports) and get a small wireless router?

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2007, 10:38:08 PM »
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Easiest way to say it:
Routers are switches that have firewalls built into them (and have wireless antenna options too).  Switches do not have a firewall.


Oh jesus good grief.... please please do not give advice on things your ENTIRELY ABSOLUTELY BEYOND COMPREHENSION ignorant about.

mmkay? :)

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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2007, 10:38:50 PM »
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so i could toss the POS router i have, run 2 switches (the one i bought only has 5 ports) and get a small wireless router?


What brand/model is your existing router?

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2007, 07:21:50 AM »
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so...whats the difference between a router and a switch? aside from the fact that the router has little antenna's on it.


Routers hand out the IP addresses to the machines that are connected in your network, this is done thru DHCP.  If you are going to have more than one PC on your network then you have to have this.  Routers are also where the security of your system begins,,they have firewalls, MAC filtering, IP allowance and denial, and WEP/WPA/PSK security for the wireless ( if you buy a wireless router that is ). They also have advanced features for those people who need them such as VPN setup, port forwarding, and tunneling. "Most" home users do not need the advanced stuff.  Routers are administered via a web GUI,,you would use a web browser and for example go to hhtp://192.168.1.1 ( will be different for different vendors ) and once logged in you can activate/deactivate the above features to your hearts content. This is a shotgun expanation of routers.

Switches, as another poster stated, facilitate traffic between PC's on your network but there main function is to act as an expansion of the router. They do not have the above functionality and you cannot login and make any changes. There are "managed" switches ( $$$ ) but that is another animal and designed for business networks.  Switches ( in a typical home setup ) basically add extra ports for the router and in your example extend the network to another room or floor.

You have several options available to accomplish what you're looking to do. If your current router is functional then adding a switch is the simplest thing to do.  If you are looking to go wireless someday you may want to consider replacing the old router with a wireless one.  Wireless routers have all the functionality of traditional wired routers with the benefit of being a wireless access point.

As Vulcan asked, you probably should provide the make/model of your current router so a better evaluation can be given.
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2007, 12:20:12 PM »
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Oh jesus good grief.... please please do not give advice on things your ENTIRELY ABSOLUTELY BEYOND COMPREHENSION ignorant about.

mmkay? :)


Sorry, figured he was quite the novice.  Didn't want to jumble his brain with DHCP and mysterious things called packets and headers.  But hey, lets shoot for the home run.
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2007, 12:53:59 PM »
routers do not necessarily provide IP addresses on a network, in fact in most networks they do not. you use a server running as a DHCP host for assigning addresses.


Routers sort and send network traffic based on rules (router tables). routers have 2 "sides" and based on the rules either send traffic through or block it / send it back. they have 2 different network addresses, and "internal" and "external"

Imagine this scenario:

PC A address 111 on network 222

PC B address 555 on network 333

PC C address 333 on network 222

PC D address 888 on network 222

PC's A, C, and D are on 1 side of the router, B on the other.

PC C broadcasts a message to PC A that message would be dropped by the router as to not get to PC B. B would never even know the message existed.

PC A sends a message to PC B, the router knows B is on network 333 so if forwards the message on to PC B


that is the most simple explanation I can give for the general gist of it.



a switch would have PC A, C, and D connected to it, and when PC A sends to PC D the switch would not send that message to the port PC C is on because it doesn't need to go there. notice they are all on the same network though.

A hub would send A's message to port D and C. no "intelligence"



now consumer "routers" from best buy for $40 are a meld of both switch and router and hub. the 4 ports on the back generally work as a hub since 4 ports are not enough to cause network traffic problems, broadcast messages are fine. the jack you connect the "internet" to on those is "the other side" of the router part. in the router config you can see the IP your ISP gives you (the EXTERNAL address), and the address you access the router (like 192.168.0.1) is the INTERNAL address.


most here don't need ot bother knowing more than that so I won't go on, but I hope that clears a bit of the air.
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2007, 04:55:04 PM »
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Sorry, figured he was quite the novice.  Didn't want to jumble his brain with DHCP and mysterious things called packets and headers.  But hey, lets shoot for the home run.


Yeahhhhhhhh . Rereading the thread I think I was still in 'work' mode. Work mode is 'presales' on things like foundry chassis switches, big bellybutton Layer 7 firewalls, distributed wireless networks etc, and dealing with resellers who get confused about such stuff. Apologies for jumping at ya.  I'm gonna shut up now.

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« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2007, 01:15:38 AM »
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Yeahhhhhhhh . Rereading the thread I think I was still in 'work' mode. Work mode is 'presales' on things like foundry chassis switches, big bellybutton Layer 7 firewalls, distributed wireless networks etc, and dealing with resellers who get confused about such stuff. Apologies for jumping at ya.  I'm gonna shut up now.


Dude, I completely understand.  For me, any time you have to answer a question by first correcting the question... Things tend to get bad after that.