Perk Changes

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Tiger
Perk everything made from 1943-on.  Made before Dec 31,1942, leave unperked.

That would be about 75% of the planeset.

Fw190A-5:  Perked!
Mosquito Mk VI: Perked!
A6M5b: Perked!
P-47D-11: Perked!
Bf109G-6: Perked!
Ki-61: Perked!
F4U-1: Perked!
Russian: Perked!

Welcome to the reign of the Spitfire Mk IX.

[clerick]

Originally posted by Lusche
The La 7 is not dominating the arena in any way, and certainly not more that the pony. See my above compilation of fighter kills and take note that in terms of K/D the La 7 usualy barely makes it into the top 20. Last tour ranked #18 with K/D 1.21. Top non perked fighters were:
- Typhoon 1.58
- Hurricane IIc 1.5
- BF 109K 1.48
- FW 190D9 1.37

If you want to have the LA7 perked, you must perk Pony, Spit XVI, Typhoon, N1K2, 109K4 and many more too.

I did not mean dominant in terms of use, but in terms of lethality.  I personally would like to see the La-7 become as rare as the Tempests.  I would even suggest that all of the very late war and, those late war planes that are just that superior, have a perk cost.  Go from as small as, say 5, for a p-51D up to the hundreds for the 262 et.c.  By applying a nominal perk cost to the top tier planes you impart some cost for dweebish behavior and, give an easily attainable goal to the rookies coming into the game.  Go out in a a6m and get or, better yet, EARN a few perk points THEN get in an La7 or Spit 16.  Just have to be careful with it or you lose those precious perkies.

[Snubby]

Originally posted by clerick
I did not mean dominant in terms of use, but in terms of lethality.  I personally would like to see the La-7 become as rare as the Tempests.  I would even suggest that all of the very late war and, those late war planes that are just that superior, have a perk cost.  Go from as small as, say 5, for a p-51D up to the hundreds for the 262 et.c.  By applying a nominal perk cost to the top tier planes you impart some cost for dweebish behavior and, give an easily attainable goal to the rookies coming into the game.  Go out in a a6m and get or, better yet, EARN a few perk points THEN get in an La7 or Spit 16.  Just have to be careful with it or you lose those precious perkies.

this is what im saying, though on a grander scale..

I actually think it would make the game more enjoyable..  give the player more sense of purpose.. and as above stated, reduce "dweebish"

people always gripe about HOs perk the rides that excel at this tactic .. even just a little.. to where the "ill probably kill him first" attitude takes a back seat to "ill probably not make it home, and will lose points"

for me half of the fun is GETTING HOME, though many people dont even consider the idea.. they just dive into the biggest furball around and have no intention of surviving..  which, fine whatever.. hard to game the game more than that. but not my $$

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by SpikesX
Agreed.

'noobs' should explore the planeset...

"n00bs" should explore what makes the game fun for them and that's the only criteria they should use when selecting a plane.  


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[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
Most "vets" wouldn't be caught dead in one.  .

Too bad people insist on limiting themselves out of a moronic sense it will bruise their ego.


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Snubby
this is what im saying, though on a grander scale..

I actually think it would make the game more enjoyable..  give the player more sense of purpose.. and as above stated, reduce "dweebish"

people always gripe about HOs perk the rides that excel at this tactic .. even just a little.. to where the "ill probably kill him first" attitude takes a back seat to "ill probably not make it home, and will lose points"

for me half of the fun is GETTING HOME, though many people dont even consider the idea.. they just dive into the biggest furball around and have no intention of surviving..  which, fine whatever.. hard to game the game more than that. but not my $$

Do you really think by perking those rides you are going to somehow lessen or eliminate dweebish behavior that has been associated with those rides?  I hate to burst your bubble and all but if a pilot flies like a dweeb in a La7 or P-51, he's going to fly like that in a Zeke or P-40.  It's not the plane that makes the pilot a dweeb.


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[clerick]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Do you really think by perking those rides you are going to somehow lessen or eliminate dweebish behavior that has been associated with those rides?  I hate to burst your bubble and all but if a pilot flies like a dweeb in a La7 or P-51, he's going to fly like that in a Zeke or P-40.  It's not the plane that makes the pilot a dweeb.


ack-ack

That is true, the plane does not make the dweeb, it just allows them to practice their craft to the fullest extent.  Zipping around the MA at WEP in an LA7, cannon blazing, is far more satisfying to the dweeb with ADD then puttering around in a Zeke or P40.  

Putting even a small price on the top-tier planes isn't much different then playing any other game where you have to EARN the upgrades.  Don't perk them into the stratosphere, but make them a goal to strive for.

And before anyone pipes in about online games and their business plans, keep in mind that most of these games have a core community that keeps them grounded.  Eliminate these players and your two-week squeakers, who don't care about this anymore then they care about their next mountain dew, will get bored and be gone.  I think it is safe to assume that the truly serious players would hardly be bothered by these rules and the constant influx of  geeks, dweebs and squeekers will be sifted and filtered and the players that have the drive and desire to take up the yoke and become "good" will remain.

Perked or unperked I'll still play and have a blast, it just becomes harder to find my fun.

[Snubby]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
"n00bs" should explore what makes the game fun for them and that's the only criteria they should use when selecting a plane.  


ack-ack

and perhaps ignorance is bliss..

if someone who knows very little about the planes in this game.. and Has ever watched the history channel.. comes in..  BOOM P51D. best fighter of WW2..

they grab it, take off.. and.. are suprised it cant out turn, out run, and out.. everything.. everything..   "this game sucks"..  gone..

perhaps if it carried a 5 perk price..

same said noob sees it.. but cant fly it yet.. oh no, he has to pick something else..  fly around a bit, have a little fun.. THEN he gets to fly the 51.. .and promptly finds out it sucks..  in fact he like the plane he was flying before BETTER.. better than the mighty 51d?!  UnPoSsAbAl! hmm,  I wonder what other planes there are..  

and thus.. the noob has been enlightened..

I end up being the best man at his wedding,

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Snubby
and perhaps ignorance is bliss..

if someone who knows very little about the planes in this game.. and Has ever watched the history channel.. comes in..  BOOM P51D. best fighter of WW2..

they grab it, take off.. and.. are suprised it cant out turn, out run, and out.. everything.. everything..   "this game sucks"..  gone..

perhaps if it carried a 5 perk price..

same said noob sees it.. but cant fly it yet.. oh no, he has to pick something else..  fly around a bit, have a little fun.. THEN he gets to fly the 51.. .and promptly finds out it sucks..  in fact he like the plane he was flying before BETTER.. better than the mighty 51d?!  UnPoSsAbAl! hmm,  I wonder what other planes there are..  

and thus.. the noob has been enlightened..

I end up being the best man at his wedding,

I'm glad HT doesn't add perks using your criteria, otherwise this would be a rather empty game.



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[Kev367th]

Originally posted by DoNKeY
Honestly, I don't see that great of a reason to perk the pony.  You don't see that many of them, compared to an average MA sortie.  I see just about the same amount, if not more, of LA's, Spits, and F4U's (maybe a little less of those).  And as said, when you think about it, the 51 isn't that great of a plane performance wise.  Average lethality, climb, poor acceleration, and poor turning radius (at lower speeds).  It really only has speed, distance, and views (something that isn't as important in real life as in the MA).  IMHO the pony shouldn't be perked.  


donkey

Don't see that many Ponies?

For the last 3-4 tours they have the most deaths of any plane in the MA, even surpassing the La7 and XVI.

I seem to remember it being mentioned that because HT doesn't track actual plane usage he uses the number of deaths as a rough guide.

So if all else is equal it should be getting an ENY value of 5 at the very least. All other 'popular' highly used planes do.

Perking it - Only if quite a few others pick up a small perk cost also.

If left unperked the Spit XIV should be unperked also (the Ta-152 was unperked).

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Kev367th


So if all else is equal it should be getting an ENY value of 5 at the very least. All other 'popular' highly used planes do.

There is not one plane perked because of it's popularity.  The only planes that are perked have been deemed unbalancing to the game play if they were left unperked.  That's the only criteria that should be used when perking planes.


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[kotrenin]

I'm sorry if I missed someone already suggesting this, but here is a thought to get shot down.  
Perk them all.  
OK, the early war planes are free but the mid war could cost something like 1-2 perks, and the late war models would be 3 and up (or perk according to ENY value, whatever floats your boat.)  Everybody's perk point bankroll would reset at the beginning of each tour.  You would probably want to lower the cost of the 262 and the 163 to put it in reach of most players before the last week of the tour.  Continue to reward players for flying EW rides with higher perk payouts for kills and of course less perks payed out for flying  in the higher perked LW rides.  It would only take landing 1 or 2 kills in an early war plane to afford most of the MW planes and maybe some LW planes.  Once you have enough perks to fly the plane you want it is up to you to not get killed in it and lose your perks.

Just an idea, I really don't mind the way it is now.

[Karnak]

kotrenin,

Problem is it cripples the new players just learning the game.  The vets would quickly have the points to fly what they fancied whereas new players would be stuck in early war aircraft with the occasional sortie in a later aircraft.  They would be fighting from a skill and equipment disadvantage and that is not a recipe to get subscribers.

[kotrenin]

True, hadn't thought about it that way....

[5PointOh]

Originally posted by Blooz
You're comparing apples and oranges.

The P51 was designed to perform best above 20k.

The LA7 was designed to perform best below 10k.

If you fight the P51 at its design altitude against the LA7 you'd see that the LA7 ain't so tough after all.

Exactly.  This is a great point.  I have seen many pony drivers using the pony as intended against LAs.  Average to good pony drivers can get a first pass kill on an LA often if BnZ approch is set up correctly.  LAs can easily destroy a pony that is low on the deck.  Two totally different planes.