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Offline SEseph

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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2007, 03:09:54 AM »
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Never send a bunch of 18-19-20 year old National Guardsmen out unsupervised to get rid of ammo.:lol  We're lucky we didn't kill ourselves with some of the stupid stuff we tried but it was FUN!!!!!!!


LOL Age doesn't matter. Friend of my dad's is obsessed with blowing crap up, and he's in his late 50's. The man has a small artilary (sp?) piece that he loads anything he can in it and fires it. Ah to be able to play with C4 and ammunition legally without much worry of HOW you're playing with.. any man's dream hehehe

As for the other.. So I'm guessing if a round were lucky and hit the ammo reserve if a bomber.. it might do mass damage, but that would have to be in line with with winning the 360 million dollar lottery alone... fun stuff, thanks :)
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2007, 05:34:24 AM »
The majority of WW2 ordinance contained TNT or a mixture of TNT and another stable explosive (to conserve TNT due to its high war time demand). TNT is only reliably detonated with another explosive.

Army tests showed that TNT (no casing) struck by a rifle bullet would only detonate 4% of the time, and that when dropped in a bomb casing without a primer from 4,000 ft on to concrete, it would only detonate 8% of the time.

As hornet pointed out, conditions would have to be just right to penetrate the shell casing, to get to the ordinance canister.  Then, enough engergy would have to be imparted to the main charge to cause a detonation.  It's not impossible, but it would be an unlikely freak occurance.
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2007, 05:40:08 AM »
What Murdr said....
A bomb being shot is not going to go off.  Do a search as this was brought up before with a photo of a Lanc blowing up because a flak burst hit it.  Of course I think it was posted by one of the 'younger' guys and he argued about it for a month with some of us.  Oh, and I build bombs in the AF...
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2007, 07:20:08 AM »
by the way i was talking about a round hiting the detonater not the bomb
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2007, 07:39:20 AM »
Problem is that the fuzing and detonators are buried inside the bomb caseing to prevent exactly that!
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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2007, 08:07:36 AM »
I don't really know what a bomb detonator looked like back in WW2 in detail but I think standard US iron bomb had two detonators, one in front , and the other in the rear part with small propellors which started turning in the airstream and eventually armed the detonator after a short flight, and it can either have a barometric action or contact action. So its actually not like a single contact detonator in the tip with a primer that is hit upon impact which explodes the detonator which again explodes the bomb filling etc... I don't really know but that is how I have understood it.

If you hit, say,  the aft detonator, would it be possible that the bullet would enter the detonator and cause it to go off? I'd think it is more easier to explode a detonator with a simple bullet than a lump of TNT?

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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2007, 08:19:02 AM »
20mm or 30mm cannon will detonate bombs. Perhaps not every time, but often. Heavy machineguns too. In the army we used 12.7mm (.50 cal) sniper rifles (with MP ammo) to set of mines, IED's and dud ordnance (mostly artillery shells). It usually only took one shot.
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2007, 08:28:10 AM »
I wish I had paid better attention during my ammo course.  Most interesting training course I've had to take so far, but it was pretty long.  

I'm pretty sure Murdrs already said it best - it is pretty unlikely that a round hitting an unarmed bomb would cause it to go off, unless it managed to hit it right on the fuze.  Even if the bomb were armed, I wouldn't see it detonating unless the bomb was armed with a PD fuze and the round hit it.
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2007, 09:20:12 AM »
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Umm the 20 and 30mm cannons in this game are HE as in High Explosive  not AP.

i thought all cannons in AH were a mix of HE/AP and optionally tracer?

I know its a special round but if a .50 from an M82 can detonate bombs surely a 20/30mm cannon round could.

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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2007, 09:50:54 AM »
I dont know the specs of WWII iron bombs, but I would think that the casing is relatively thick maybe an inch or two. As far as I know the only cannon round that has any chance of penetrating a bomb is the 23mm VYa on the Il2.
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« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2007, 09:53:14 AM »
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Umm the 20 and 30mm cannons in this game are HE as in High Explosive  not AP.


well then.... i guess i learned something:)
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« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2007, 09:57:03 AM »
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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2007, 10:05:41 AM »
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20mm or 30mm cannon will detonate bombs. Perhaps not every time, but often. Heavy machineguns too. In the army we used 12.7mm (.50 cal) sniper rifles (with MP ammo) to set of mines, IED's and dud ordnance (mostly artillery shells). It usually only took one shot.


i dont know if even that would do it. im all for saying you could damage bomb-bay doors with it. or perhaps dent up the bombs and screw their areodynamics or trajectory, maybee even render them completely usless, but i dont see them exploding without being armed.
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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2007, 01:55:06 PM »
so if you take a stack of 10 or so large bombs and fire 50 rounds of 20mm cannon at them, nothing will happen.

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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2007, 03:04:35 PM »
In Chuck Yeager's book, Chuck and his wingman dropped their droptanks and tried to ignite them with the 50 cals on their mustangs.  They made sure fuel was still in the droptanks.  But they couldn't get them to ignite.

Ironically, while Chuck and his buddy were playing around, one of the biggest dogfights of the war was occurring as german fighters were attacking a bomber stream.
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