Warping

[badhorse]

Like most of you I've seen folks warping around the sky. When that happens I usually send them a note letting them know.  Sometimes they respond with "thanks. I didn't know. I will re-log".   However sometimes the response is "Sorry dude, it is my (satellite) (DSL) (dial-uo) connection".

1)  Is there a difference between those who warp intentionally and those who know they are warping due to a bad connection but take advantage of it anyway?

2) To you techies out there.  Is there a fix for the bad connection problem.

[Trip01]

The warps I find most annoying, which are so common they can't be connection related, is the warps performed by drone bombers. If the lead buff turns too hard and looses his drones they warp to catch up once he stops jerking about the sky. Very annoying if you're about to pull the trigger on one of them.

I notice that my drones are able to catch me up even if I'm at full power which implies that they have slightly tweaked performance compared to the lead aircraft. (I can see why this was done and am not complaining about it.) This might be common knowledge here but was a surprise to me.

Trip

[ColKLink]

"lost upd, switching to ufo" or whatever followed by a warp about 30 sec's long, (usually in a fight, ) then everything goes back to normal, and ive usually escaped being shot down, nope i never plan it either, it just happens. I will relog, if im tipped off  "im warping" no biggy.

[yanksfan]

Originally posted by badhorse
Like most of you I've seen folks warping around the sky. When that happens I usually send them a note letting them know.  Sometimes they respond with "thanks. I didn't know. I will re-log".   However sometimes the response is "Sorry dude, it is my (satellite) (DSL) (dial-uo) connection".

1)  Is there a difference between those who warp intentionally and those who know they are warping due to a bad connection but take advantage of it anyway?

2) To you techies out there.  Is there a fix for the bad connection problem.

From what i understand from some of skuzzys posts on the subject is that "isp's" are in the process of switching parts of their systems to what skuzzy refers to as "TIER3" or something to that effect, it is a good system for exchangeing packages for gameplay, however the system is now overloaded and can't handle all the servers it has to, so lost packets are the result, lately I have been warping to beat the band and game play becomes difficult if not impossible, so i just log, if i haven't been discoed already.

I do not beleave there is anyone in the game that is intentionally warping, I don't see how it would be possible.

DON

[Latrobe]

When my dial-up broke and I had to go with my HughesNet "Satelite" connection I knew I was warping a little bit, that's why I took gvs most of the time. I did go up and fly a little and got pm'd a few times that I was warping. Told them it was my connection and that I was trying to get it fixed. I never took advantage of it because when I warped to them, they warped to me.

[VWE]

Originally posted by badhorse
Like most of you I've seen folks warping around the sky. When that happens I usually send them a note letting them know.  Sometimes they respond with "thanks. I didn't know. I will re-log".   However sometimes the response is "Sorry dude, it is my (satellite) (DSL) (dial-uo) connection".

1)  Is there a difference between those who warp intentionally and those who know they are warping due to a bad connection but take advantage of it anyway?

2) To you techies out there.  Is there a fix for the bad connection problem.

I'm on statellite and yes I do warp some times but guess what, when I get close to a con more times than not they change possition just as I fire and I totally miss em, tell me how I'm using that to my advantage. I'm in a part of the world where the only internet available to me is satellite. So sorry dude...

[wrag]

The warps I object to are the ones that SEEM so smooth until you line up on their 6.  Then WARP!

I've watched some that flying within 200 yards are SMOOTH but soon as I get on their 6 WARP!

I've seen some that don't warp no matter the distance and then when I almost have a solution to fire WARP.  And I'm NOT on their 6 but coming in from at an angle from the side.

I've even had em warp BIG time after my 1st rounds reach em.  1 or 2 rounds actually land and then WARP.

Some of the warps sure SEEM to happen at the best possible time for the warper.

[TwentyFo]

There are no cheaters in this game. Warp is due strictly to internet connection.

[yanksfan]

Originally posted by wrag
The warps I object to are the ones that SEEM so smooth until you line up on their 6.  Then WARP!

I've watched some that flying within 200 yards are SMOOTH but soon as I get on their 6 WARP!

I've seen some that don't warp no matter the distance and then when I almost have a solution to fire WARP.  And I'm NOT on their 6 but coming in from at an angle from the side.

I've even had em warp BIG time after my 1st rounds reach em.  1 or 2 rounds actually land and then WARP.

Some of the warps sure SEEM to happen at the best possible time for the warper.

think about it while it's happening, when you get close or they get close this is when the  system is exchangeing the most info, in regards to your location and attitude as well as his location and attitude, both your systems are relaying alot of info to the system, these are the packets you send in, now the system gets those packets and his, sorts out the info and sends new info back to you in the form of a packet which says,"I see you,AND him Isee where your going and what your doing" if one or more of you has a lost packet on the way back or the way in the system will place your target on the screen only where it knows it's been and where it's going, if a packet is dropped, this is your warp. think of the warp as a momentary loss of information by the system.

when you get close the need for the system to update itself, him, and you is the greatest and most likely to get screwed up.

if you read skuzzys posts on the subject it's fairly easy to see what the problem is, i don't think anyone is doing it intentionally.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by yanksfan
think about it while it's happening, when you get close or they get close this is when the  system is exchangeing the most info, in regards to your location and attitude as well as his location and attitude, both your systems are relaying alot of info to the system, these are the packets you send in, now the system gets those packets and his, sorts out the info and sends new info back to you in the form of a packet which says,"I see you,AND him Isee where your going and what your doing" if one or more of you has a lost packet on the way back or the way in the system will place your target on the screen only where it knows it's been and where it's going, if a packet is dropped, this is your warp. think of the warp as a momentary loss of information by the system.

when you get close the need for the system to update itself, him, and you is the greatest and most likely to get screwed up.

if you read skuzzys posts on the subject it's fairly easy to see what the problem is, i don't think anyone is doing it intentionally.

Very nice explanation  Can you repeat where it says why the packets get lost only when I am on their 6?  They seem to have no issues when they are on mine

[Dichotomy]

I'd be happy to test that theory ded if I ever SAW your six

[dedalos]

Originally posted by VWE
I'm on statellite and yes I do warp some times but guess what, when I get close to a con more times than not they change possition just as I fire and I totally miss em, tell me how I'm using that to my advantage. I'm in a part of the world where the only internet available to me is satellite. So sorry dude...

It depends.  The shooter records the kill so if there is lag the bad guy may think you don't have a guns solution while on your FE you do.  That gives you the edge.  If however the coad has something in it that forces an update (somehow) when the trigger is pulled then you are screwed.  Just trying to explain how you could have an advantage or disadvantage.  If you are on sat you are on sat, nothing to do about it.

You can see this working in a GV.  Get in a panzer and have a friend in a B25.  Start the engine but dont move the panzer while the b25 is lining up his cannon.  Coordinate with your friend so that 4 seconds before he fires at you, you start moving straight and about 2 seconds after you break left or right.  Compare the films and see the difference.  You will see the gun hitting the ground way behind you while on his film you took a direct hit.  If you are lucky like me you will explode also, lol.  

This also explains all the cries on 200 about impossible shots.  Just the way it is.  Nothing to do about it until HT finds a way to make electrons move faster.  (2 weeks ? )

EDIT: Not sure if the film will show the round hitting behind you but you will see it in real time if you are looking behind you in the game

[Vad]

Originally posted by dedalos
Very nice explanation  Can you repeat where it says why the packets get lost only when I am on their 6?  They seem to have no issues when they are on mine

They don't yank sticks when they are on your 6, but they do that when you are on their.
When you fly straight and with the same speed warp is not seen even in case of packets lost, because no information was lost. Your computer has enough information from previous packets to calculate correct position of your opponent if he moves straright.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Vad
They don't yank sticks when they are on your 6, but they do that when you are on their.
When you fly straight and with the same speed warp is not seen even in case of packets lost, because no information was lost. Your computer has enough information from previous packets to calculate correct position of your opponent if he moves straright.

The last thing I do when I have someone on my 6 is fly straight.

[WMLute]

FYI, if you are on statellite you are probably warping most all of the time.

Statellite is the worst connection you can have to fly on.