Is the P-47 being dissed?

[AquaShrimp]

The P-47D11 has excellent maneuverability.  All you need is a snapshot at convergence, and those 8 .50 cals will snap off wings and tails with ease.

However, below 150mph, maneuverability drops off quick.  150-250 is the sweet spot.

[MjTalon]

I can make my D-11 turn with spits with my six gun option

[AirFlyer]

*Turns with P-47s all day in his A6M*

That being said I can't say I haven't been beat by them. You don't come past a good P47 pilot often but when I do I'm lucky to not be a flying BBQ or even get some lead into him*

[MjTalon]

Yea i was gonna say AirFlyer, any P47 you've come across that wasn't slow probably set you on fire just by looking at it

[Motherland]

Decided to take up a Jug today, did fairly well. 15 kills between the D-40 and D-11 (keep in mind I havent really flown the Jug before), though some of those were vulches. I even got an LA with an e advantage. I gotta try the D-11 with the six gun package, thing must be a beast...

[AquaShrimp]

P-47D40 with 25% fuel, 6 guns, and ammunition expended climbs at over 4k/min.  Might be helpful incase you find yourself in a sticky situation.

[MjTalon]

Originally posted by Motherland
Decided to take up a Jug today, did fairly well. 15 kills between the D-40 and D-11 (keep in mind I havent really flown the Jug before), though some of those were vulches. I even got an LA with an e advantage. I gotta try the D-11 with the six gun package, thing must be a beast...

You'd think the D-11 with 6 gun option is a spitfire.... honestly the thing turns with hurricanes with 6 guns and 75% or less fuel

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by CAP1
dude! i'm not sure if they should go in this forum......but.......i'd be willing to bet i'm not the only one that'd like to hear some of them.......

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                        John used to talk a lot about blowing up trains. He used to love to blow up trains. He also used to talk about how the war turned when the 47s and 51s were allowed to roam almost at will blowing up targets of opportunity. Most of all Luftwaffe targets. And until the end of his days he always had a lot of respect for the Luftwaffe and often said it amazed him how they were able to hold out for so long against the thousands  and thousands of Jabos, fighters, and bombers sent against them almost daily.

                    He said the damage that could be inflicted by a P-47 with a full load of rockets and 8 0.50s had to be seen to be believed.

[CAP1]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
John used to talk a lot about blowing up trains. He used to love to blow up trains. He also used to talk about how the war turned when the 47s and 51s were allowed to roam almost at will blowing up targets of opportunity. Most of all Luftwaffe targets. And until the end of his days he always had a lot of respect for the Luftwaffe and often said it amazed him how they were able to hold out for so long against the thousands  and thousands of Jabos, fighters, and bombers sent against them almost daily.

                    He said the damage that could be inflicted by a P-47 with a full load of rockets and 8 0.50s had to be seen to be believed.

rich......i really wish i could've met either one of them...i got the chance to meet a B24 bombadier one day at trenton mercer county airport...and this guy had pictures of some of his drops, and even the roadmaps they used to be issued on cloth, in case he had to bail over enemy territory......i was there for CAP training..and this guy had 10 of us in awe.......his name was Nick Reed...flew 22 missions from southern italy before war ended. he also got 10 handshakes, and thank you's for what he did for all of us. hope your dad knows tht there'ds a lot of us that thank him and his comrades for their service!!

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[Wolfala]

I fly it all the time as its my main ride. I've been shot up more in this aircraft and come home then any other aircraft - except perhaps an A-20. All the jug requires is mission planning - have a plan to get in - and a plan to get out - and don't be afraid to fight in the vertical. And you see plenty of Jugs around and there are some very good sticks around: Stoney74, LEDPIG, Frenchy, Nomde to name a few. The trick is - treat a jug like you treat a P-40, and be on your game. The second you get overconfident flying a hair dryer, LA-7 or Spit 16 is the moment they **** you up.

[Viking]

Returned to AH last night after a six month break, and a Jug kicked my ElGhay bellybutton ... well he had a Pony friend too.

I'm always astonished how fast that big crate can haul its nose around.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Viking
Returned to AH last night after a six month break, and a Jug kicked my ElGhay bellybutton ... well he had a Pony friend too.

I'm always astonished how fast that big crate can haul its nose around.

High speed flaps really help the P-47 by bleeding excess E rapidly, which tightens the turn much faster than most pilots expect. A good Jug stick can often beat a Spitfire around on the initial reverse. He'll need to, because that opening advantage disappears quickly.

Last Thursday evening, we held one of our Engaging Multiple Enemies clinics in the TA. We had about a dozen MA regulars practicing fighting groups of enemy fighters. Towards the end of the evening, we fought 5 on 3 engagements. For most of the evening I flew a P-47D-25 or a P-47D-11.

I find the P-47 to be a perfectly adequate aircraft for these scrums. I never feel that I'm at a disadvantage. A well-flown P-47 is quite capable, especially in a high-speed fight. It's an airplane that responds to smooth handling on the controls. Manage your E well and the Jug will reward you. Be sloppy, jerky or waste E and you'll find yourself sucking wind.

My regards,

Widewing

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Rich, Don't be fooled, the jug will not turn with a spit16 all day long, assuming you are not fighting a brand new AH player with half a clue on ACM. Anyone that claims so is more than welcome to send me their film of a dogfight with Shawk's or Skyrock's Spit16, and I'll pray everynight facing their hometown.

What will save you in the jug, is the initial capability of bleeding E faster than the other guy as mentioned by Widewing, and a lazerguided foolproof gunery. Nothing less than an old AH fox will survive a dogfight ina jug, and only if fighting against a couple of newbies.

Nice pics Wolfala.

[Rich46yo]

Well heres the thing. The P-47 was a very high impact weapon system in the actual war. But...that doesn't exactly translate into a highly desirable dogfighter in a war sim.

                         I guess I got one chance to see why the P-47 was a one airplane wrecking crew in WW-ll. The Bish were running a mission and I snuck into one of the gun positions at our airfield. The Bish featured the P-47 flying heavy, I saw that as I saw them approaching the airbase.

                     Well, those P-47s, with all those bombs and rockets on them, just shredded that airbase and then hung around dancing with our own fighters. I was impressed with what those T-Bolts did to that base. I mean they just blew it up.

                  Yeah there are other planes that can carry all that ordinance but is there another one that can carry all that, mix it up pretty well with other fighters, and then bring you home, as good as the P-47??

               I dont think so. Which is why the T-bolt was so successful in the war and why it can be so successful in the game. It is simply a "great" airplane and deserves as much, or more, of the accolades the pony ever got.

[bj229r]

The thing is whether it carries enough to kill ONE hangar---2 1k's and 6 rockets will do that---so jug would have 1 500+ 4 rockets left over, but would likely die tryin to do 2nd pass---p51, f6, f4u, p38, all have enough for the 1 hangar, which is ample for a base swarm/horde