Author Topic: Is the P-47 being dissed? (Read 3048 times)

NitroFish · « **Reply #45 on:** December 03, 2007, 09:05:03 AM »

I've been flying the P47D25 model for the last week. Last night was a good night for me. One 10 kill flight and one 6 kill flight.
If its a close fight I will take 50% fuel with a drop tank, 8 guns with max ammo, if its a sector over I will take 75%.
I'll climb to 11-12k unless the bogies have been coming in from a higher altitude. I like to fight down hill in the p47 and recover altitude when I can. Instead of being one of the 2 or 3 chasing a bogie, I will grab alt to catch his friend coming in.
SA is huge in the 47, I still need to work on that.
Fun plane to fly.

goober69 · « **Reply #46 on:** December 05, 2007, 03:40:29 AM »

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Originally posted by bj229r
Thats why I fly nuthin but jugs! TOO big..TOO loud, burns absurd amount of gas..TOO many guns...it's got Amuurica written all over it:aok Kinda like airplane version of Harley:lol

that should be in someones signature lol<^^^^^^^^^^^

tonight i loaded up a p47n with two 75tanks and 50% fuel went hunting bombers climbed to 25k (cause they were reported to be that high)
well i never found those buffs but i did encounter a lone ki184 about 6k bellow me i choped throttle did a few slips and rolls to slow down and rolled over into him. he gave me a good fight for the first two passes, pinged me a few times inefectualy. finaly he decided to try to run and i just droped in right behind him and closed the distance. as soon as i got within 600 he started jinking and went for a split s i rolled 90 degres hit rudder to slew my nose down and lit him up. pulled straight and climbed out for home euphoric. jug is a killer plane but i wish i had been a little lighter or maybe in the d40 model.

id say this fight started at about 18k and ended at about 8k so yea i was right in the jugs wheelhouse most of the time.

Krusty · « **Reply #47 on:** December 05, 2007, 09:43:42 AM »

With all non-N models I'd suggest taking 100% internal and no DT. You'll burn off a decent wad of that climbing to alt.

Why this, instead of 50% & DT?

The aux tank. You take a hit in the fuselage and 9 times out of 10 you'll get a huge hole in your main fuel tank, and it will drain dry within 10 seconds. When I take off I manually select the main tank. RTB when you're down to aux only. If you take shot to your main, switch to aux and egress quickly.

It's saved my bacon so many times I do it as habit now.

Stoney74 · « **Reply #48 on:** December 05, 2007, 09:13:28 PM »

The only time I take all the ammo is if I'm on an attack run and will be strafing. I almost always run out of fuel before ammo. You save some weight from the reduction, which I find to make a big difference (a little snappier roll rate), and worth about 1.5" of manifold pressure in climb.

For fighter missions:

In the D11, I always take 100% fuel, sometimes even the drop tank. In the D-25 and D-40, almost always 100% but without the drop tank (carries a bit more fuel internal). In the N, almost always take 75% with no drops. I then burn the wing tanks off as soon as I lift, and know I'll have (what is 100% fuel in the D-25/40) full fuel in the main and aux.

But, the key is being able to be in the fight once you've only got 1/4 of a tank of fuel, and 600-800 rounds of caliber .50 left. The plane begins to get downright sporty as it approaches the 11,000 to 12,000 pound range. I've got no problems mixing it up with almost any aircraft once I get good and light--say with 5 minutes or so left on station time.

angelsandair · « **Reply #49 on:** December 05, 2007, 09:47:28 PM »

personally i think the b-17 is kind of being dissed, they dont really call it all that good but the b-17s had more fighter kills than anyother american fighter combined in world war 2

Rich46yo · « **Reply #50 on:** December 06, 2007, 06:58:14 AM »

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Originally posted by angelsandair
personally i think the b-17 is kind of being dissed, they dont really call it all that good but the b-17s had more fighter kills than anyother american fighter combined in world war 2

There is still great debate over exactly how many fighter kills the B-17 had. The only thing people can agree on is it was far less then what the B-17s reported. Not that that fact degrades those who fought and gunned in the FF. In the heat of combat? At those frozen altitudes? Gunners shooting at the same airplanes? There was no way to get an accurate count of enemy fighters downed.

But I think its safe to say the B-17s got the worst of it. In fact had long range escorts not been available we probably would have had to cancel daylight bombing over German Industrial targets. The average gunner on a 17 had about a 25% chance of living to complete his 25 missions so whats that tell you?

Dont get me wrong. It was a great airplane. But it was a bomber not a fighter killer and it got thumped pretty hard by the Luftwaffe.

Last night I got into a long range shoot out with a Hellcat while in B-26s. Never was the fight closer then 800 yrds, and most of the time 1,000. It was an interesting combat between 0.50 cal airplanes and really showed the longer range capabilities of the American 0.50 cal guns.

I kinda get a kick out of those who thinks they need cannon to shoot down Buffs. The P-47 is perfectly capable of shooting down any Buff in the game.

VonKost · « **Reply #51 on:** December 06, 2007, 07:40:22 AM »

P-47 knocks bombers down pretty hard and fast and can take a few stray rounds as well. Having said that it makes me sad to shoot at the planes that the jug historically protected. I hate that part of the game intensly.

Rich46yo · « **Reply #52 on:** December 06, 2007, 05:13:33 PM »

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Originally posted by VonKost
P-47 knocks bombers down pretty hard and fast and can take a few stray rounds as well. Having said that it makes me sad to shoot at the planes that the jug historically protected. I hate that part of the game intensly.

I can respect that line of thought. But unless its a reenactment, at least to me, then its only a game. Tho I do actually have more fun shooting at Jap and German fighters while flying my Yank bombers.

Widewing · « **Reply #53 on:** December 06, 2007, 05:35:08 PM »

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Originally posted by angelsandair
personally i think the b-17 is kind of being dissed, they dont really call it all that good but the b-17s had more fighter kills than anyother american fighter combined in world war 2

More claims maybe, but the claims out-stripped reality by an order of magnitude.

My regards,

Widewing

Yossarian · « **Reply #54 on:** December 06, 2007, 06:38:40 PM »

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Originally posted by VonKost
P-47 knocks bombers down pretty hard and fast and can take a few stray rounds as well. Having said that it makes me sad to shoot at the planes that the jug historically protected. I hate that part of the game intensly.

I definitely agree with you on that.

Yet another reason why we need more italian, jap and german bombers

Oldman731 · « **Reply #55 on:** December 06, 2007, 07:35:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Yossarian
I definitely agree with you on that.

Yet another reason why we need more italian, jap and german bombers

No one will fly them. The Americans and British built the best bombers.

Your solution is to visit the AvA.

- oldman

trigger2 · « **Reply #56 on:** December 07, 2007, 12:47:11 AM »

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Originally posted by angelsandair
personally i think the b-17 is kind of being dissed, they dont really call it all that good but the b-17s had more fighter kills than anyother american fighter combined in world war 2

B-24 Liberater was practically equal to the B-17 in most aspects...

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #57 on:** December 07, 2007, 01:02:14 AM »

I'm paraphrasing from "Great American Bombers of World War II".

On one mission in 1943, USAAC B-17s claimed 280 Luftwaffe fighters shot down. In actuality, the Luftwaffe only lost 24 fighters.

pengu146 · « **Reply #58 on:** December 10, 2007, 08:20:47 PM »

The first plane i flew in aces high was a jug. i remember it like yesterday. icrashed on tkeoff.

xNOVAx · « **Reply #59 on:** December 12, 2007, 01:03:21 AM »

This thread makes me want to put my F4U-1A in the hangar and bring back my 'D-11 o' Doom'