Kill Shooter

[Ghosth]

Killshooters not broke, it doesn't need fixing. If your getting KS more than once a tour you need to get out of that horde your flying with. Try flying solo or with a  single wingman.

2 on a con, leave it be, it does NOT need 3.

[Spazzter]

Originally posted by AApumba
I'm sure this dead horse has already been discussed but I'm gonna start it again because I was gone from the game when they turned friendly fire off. Ok I'm sure there are quite a few people that remeber when the main arena had friendly fire on. Now I know there were those people would would abuse it by changing countries and hunting down someone they were mad at instead of taking it to the DA but I greatly prefered friendly fire being on rather then the kill shooter. Back when the friendly fire was on no one would cut you off on a kill because they ran the risk of getting shot down along with the enemy con or if they were going to over take you they would let you know so you didn't light em up as they went by. Now people will cut you off, steal your kill and won't even apologize to you when you blow yourself outta the sky. The kill shooter also makes it very difficult for escorts to clear cons off a bomber group's 6 because stray rounds wind up killing the escort before the con goes down, a buff is twice the size of a ftr and is a magnet for random lead. Buffs are made to take punishment and a few stray rounds from an escort aren't going to hurt em but those same few rounds can do lethal damage to the escort planes. Having the friendly fire on also adds a great deal more realism to the game and, in my opinion, more realistic tactics. Instead of people cutting you off for kills they will back you up and fall in on your wing. I would love to see friendly fire come back. I think I would create a more realistic game experience and more country unity. When you accidently shoot a friendly down because of friendly fire you feel really bad and are extra careful not to do it again. With friendly fire off and kill shooter on people could care less wether a countrymen blows himself outta the sky because someone was a dork and cut him off.

If you want to experience this kind of gameplay then fly in the Friday Squad Ops, this would never work in the Main Arenas though.  HTC would have to create a policing system for all the losers that would shoot friendlies just to pad the K/D ratios.


Spazz

[AApumba]

Originally posted by Dace
You may not want to hear this, but, it is ALWAYS the shooters responsibility to know his surroundings. If your situational awareness is bad enough to allow yourself to shoot another friendly it is totally YOUR FAULT and noone elses, no matter what the situation. You should never get so fixated that you don't even know where your friends are.

Everyone is blowing this way outta proportion. I was not saying I run around hitting friendlys all the time and since I've been playing a long time I keep very very good situational awareness, the one time you don't you're dead. But I know everyone in here has had someone come in a "squat" right in thier gunsights right when they pull the trigger and no one can say that it doesn't agrivate them when it happens.

And there are ways to keep the mayhem from happing, why not dock someone some perks if they kill a friendly.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by AApumba

And there are ways to keep the mayhem from happing, why not dock someone some perks if they kill a friendly.

Too many people don't care about the perks. Or never get enough to care about them.
Wouldn't work.

[Connery]

No SA is needed anyway when 2 ppl are chasing the other guy.

and as for guys spraying that happens already anyway

Karnak as I already said the realism argument is not valid as killshooter is most definately not realistic.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Connery
Karnak as I already said the realism argument is not valid as killshooter is most definately not realistic.

You saying it does not make it true.

Kill shooter is not realistic, but it produces much more realistic tactics and results than having no friendly fire issues at all.

Thus killshooter is more realistic than what you suggested.


And Connery, SA is required at all times.

[Connery]

you know fine well what im talking about karnak. Or would you like me to be pedantic and explain it to you ?

[Connery]

Neither killshooter nor friendly fire off is realistic. but I know which is the lesser of 2 evils.

I've lost count of how many times some'1 came past me over me and ludicrously high speed as im making a shot, and im pretty sure a lot of the guys in here have had the same issue and ended up killshooting themselves.

[Stang]

Originally posted by Connery
I've lost count of how many times some'1 came past me over me and ludicrously high speed as im making a shot, and im pretty sure a lot of the guys in here have had the same issue and ended up killshooting themselves.

And if you killshoot yourself in this situation it is 100% your fault.

[croduh]

I have lost count seeing friendly newbies following me 200 miles around the map trying to shoot me just to die.

Ks is good in ma.In da it's not.

[Karnak]

Connery,

Killshooter is, by far, the lesser of two evils.  I explained in detail why already.

Your SA is your responsibility.  YOu need to be aware of the positions of friendlies and enemies, not just enemies.

If you are getting killed by killshooter often it is your problem that you have to learn to fix.  I don't play much anymore, but in the years and thousands of kills I got while I did fly I kill shot myself less than 10 times.

[Tiger]

Originally posted by SuperDud
AW worked fine IMO.

Mine too

[Connery]

I don't killshoot MEGA often either, but everytime it's happened theres been nothing I could have done about it.... my SA in those situations was not a problem.

Everytime I've killshot myself probably also less than 10 times (so far) its been unavoidable..and you having played this game for so long will know exactly what I mean.

[Karnak]

Very rarely it happens, yes.  When it does, I shrug and reup.

It is much, much more important to me that some trigger discipline is in the game.  The ability for every ganger behind you to fire at you without worrying about friendly fire would cause a massive distortion in combat tactics.

Yes, killshooter is unrealistic, but sometimes in sims unrealistic tools are needed to produce more realistic results due to the nature of players.

[Marshal]

I think the game is fine just the way it is. I only had 1 instance that kill shooter had me upset enough to turn the game off. Now it is just funny and maybe will give someone else a good laugh. We were working on capturing a vehicle base. I upped a Tiger at about 223 perkies. I was not worried about being killed got to use them perkies up sometime. We rolled onto the base and had some resistance. We took down the guns and were ready for troops. Everyone in tanks was keeping the enemy tanks busy while the m3 rolled in to the map room. The m3 made it to the map room and we captured the base. Right after the capture an enemy panzer was rolling toward our m3 by the map room. I was trying to save him and just as I pulled the trigger on my 88mm ap cannon the panzer drove through our m3 and of course I hit the m3 instead and killed myself instantly!! Now I do not know if the driver of the panzer did that on purpose or not, but if he did that was genius. He also got my kill. At the time I think I had steam coming out of my ears.
Now you are either lyao or you have done something similar and I just brought up bad memories, but either way it is pretty funny now.