Author Topic: Colts are..cheaters? (Read 1150 times)

Sixpence · « **Reply #15 on:** November 05, 2007, 12:55:15 PM »

Seems to be picking up steam

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21639328/

AKIron · « **Reply #16 on:** November 05, 2007, 12:56:52 PM »

I say kick both teams out of the league.

Donzo · « **Reply #17 on:** November 05, 2007, 12:58:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
They were fined for breaking league rules/bylaws, not cheating, as again, the commish stated

How is breaking rules not considered cheating?

And what rule/bylaw was broken?

crockett · « **Reply #18 on:** November 05, 2007, 01:06:45 PM »

I'm not a big sports fan, but anytime I've ever watched a big stadium game like football I always thought the crowds seems to noisy.

Pretty funny to think it's the stadiums or TV channels actually pumping in the noise. If these guys did it, then you know damn sure all the others are doing it too.

As for cheating, how is it cheating? As I say I'm not a sports fan so I don't see what it actually helps. Other than maybe giving the players the added bit of crowd support.

Seems more like a ploy to get the crowd more into the game rather than any sort of way to cheat.

Sixpence · « **Reply #19 on:** November 05, 2007, 01:08:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Donzo
How is breaking rules not considered cheating?

And what rule/bylaw was broken?

Look the rule up yourself, if , that is, you really want to know.

You can tape from designated(by the league and in the rule) areas. You can tape the whole field, including the sideline, which includes the coaches. But you cannot tape from "the sideleine, coaches booth(s), or the locker room".

This is to make sure the coaches do not have access to the tape during the game

And again, the league watched them for eight minutes to see if the coaching staff had access to the photographer, which didn't happen, which is why Goodell stated it had no impact on the game.

The fine was for filming in a spot the league didn't want them to.

Are you understanding, or are you going to keep dancing?

Well, off to work, I hope the league takes away draft picks for this cheating

Sixpence · « **Reply #20 on:** November 05, 2007, 01:10:34 PM »

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Originally posted by crockett
I'm not a big sports fan, but anytime I've ever watched a big stadium game like football I always thought the crowds seems to noisy.

Pretty funny to think it's the stadiums or TV channels actually pumping in the noise. If these guys did it, then you know damn sure all the others are doing it too.

As for cheating, how is it cheating? As I say I'm not a sports fan so I don't see what it actually helps. Other than maybe giving the players the added bit of crowd support.

Seems more like a ploy to get the crowd more into the game rather than any sort of way to cheat.

It's cheating because it's against the rules to pipe up sound while the opposing team has the ball

crockett · « **Reply #21 on:** November 05, 2007, 01:23:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
It's cheating because it's against the rules to pipe up sound while the opposing team has the ball

Yea but you hear how quiet it was when the noise stopped? So that means they would have to pipe the noise when both teams had the ball. Otherwise it would sound like the crowd supported the other team more.

To me it just sounds like more of a subliminal trick for TV and entertainment purposes. It's going to make the crowd more likely to be involved in the yelling and screaming which equals more fun for those in the crowd.

It also would likely have a motivational boost for the players as they would likely get more pumped up from the crowd.

While I think it's fairly funny if they are doing it, I can't really see how it's cheating. Just seems more like a entertainment gimmick. Also I'd have to say the other arena's are doing it as well, because all the crowds at football games always seem notoriously loud too me.

Nefarious · « **Reply #22 on:** November 05, 2007, 01:26:40 PM »

Remembering the owner and Tony Dungy, both thanked the lord for there win over the Pats and the Bears. I decided I would look up a little quote -

Two weeks prior to the Super Bowl, following the Colts win over New England and realizing that the Chicago Bears had already clinched their berth in the Super Bowl, Dungy was quoted by saying, "The Lord set this up in a way that no one would believe it. The Lord tested us a lot this year, but He set this up to get all the glory."

Looks like God and Piping Crowd Noise helped the Colts Win last year.

Who can you trust anymore? Really disheartens me. The older I grow, the more it seems like everything is rigged for entertainment value.

Cougar68 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 05, 2007, 01:38:22 PM »

It wouldn't suprise me if something like this happened but its going to take a lot more than the links I've seen in this thread to convince me. The one in the first post says that the sound is a feedback loop that any audio engineer worth his salt would recognize. Well, I've worked in the music business for a long time and have heard loads of feedback loops. Feedback doesn't repeat itself over and over. A particular frequency resonates and becomes louder and louder. If anything it's a skipping track from either the stadium folks or the television guys.

Sixpence, ever considered taking up law? You're one step away from asking what the definition of "is" is when it comes to the Pats and spygate. The got fined for breaking the rules. They were making tapes from an inappropriate area in order to gain a competitive advantage. That can definitely be called cheating. The eight minutes that Goodell reviewed the tape is laughable to bring up as a defense. Eight minutes? He spared eight whole minutes to review the evidence? Please...... And while they may not have gotten the video to the coach's right then and there, it was definitely going to be used at some point. Either for the Pat's benefit or another team they could pass it to. They sure weren't taping the opponent's sideline for a nice souveneir to watch when they retire. It's tough for a homer to say that about his own team and I understand that. But it "is" what it "is."

Cougar

p.s. The above post was created by a diehard Tennessee Titans fan and dedicated Colts/Pats hater. Any bias toward either team involved in said incidents is completely in the reader's mind and without merit. Any complaints about the content of this message can be directed to the department of K.M.A.

JBA · « **Reply #24 on:** November 05, 2007, 01:41:54 PM »

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Originally posted by crockett
I'm not a big sports fan, but anytime I've ever watched a big stadium game like football I always thought the crowds seems to noisy.

Pretty funny to think it's the stadiums or TV channels actually pumping in the noise. If these guys did it, then you know damn sure all the others are doing it too.

As for cheating, how is it cheating? As I say I'm not a sports fan so I don't see what it actually helps. Other than maybe giving the players the added bit of crowd support.

Seems more like a ploy to get the crowd more into the game rather than any sort of way to cheat.

It prevents the line man from hearing the quarterbacks signals to know when to start their play.
And yes the crowd is quit for the home team for just the opposite reasons, they want their guys to get a good jump off the snap so they can push forward batter.

JBA · « **Reply #25 on:** November 05, 2007, 01:55:23 PM »

What’s most revealing, I listened to the tape again and as soon as Moss stands up the sound noise goes dead, like it was turned off suddenly.

It ends to abruptly for just a feedback from mikes, besides that's usually a higher pitch sound.
This is just like the wobble I hear on CD players.

Donzo · « **Reply #26 on:** November 05, 2007, 08:20:47 PM »

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Originally posted by JBA
What’s most revealing, I listened to the tape again and as soon as Moss stands up the sound noise goes dead, like it was turned off suddenly.

It ends to abruptly for just a feedback from mikes, besides that's usually a higher pitch sound.
This is just like the wobble I hear on CD players.

That's just TOO quite after Moss stands up.

Donzo · « **Reply #27 on:** November 05, 2007, 08:31:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence

Are you understanding, or are you going to keep dancing?

No need to dance.

Tape feedback in the CBS production truck responsible for audio mystery

culero · « **Reply #28 on:** November 05, 2007, 08:44:39 PM »

"CBS has informed us that the unusual audio moment heard by fans during the Patriots-Colts game was the result of tape feedback in the CBS production truck and was isolated to the CBS broadcast," the league said. "It was in no way related to any sound within the stadium and could not be heard in the stadium."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-colts-noise&prov=ap&type=lgns

Ripsnort · « **Reply #29 on:** November 05, 2007, 09:43:55 PM »

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Originally posted by culero
"CBS has informed us that the unusual audio moment heard by fans during the Patriots-Colts game was the result of tape feedback in the CBS production truck and was isolated to the CBS broadcast," the league said. "It was in no way related to any sound within the stadium and could not be heard in the stadium."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-colts-noise&prov=ap&type=lgns

Desperate NE fans all over the USA are trying to deflect any guilt they feel associated with their team that cheated by posting this jibberish today. Guilt is usually associated with pointing the finger at others.

This is a good time for a reminder:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EU1O-hGxgg