SIG220's SIG 220 .45 Caliber Pisols!! -- PHOTO

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by cpxxx
Sigs are expensive, my local gun shop in Galway is advertising the Sig P226 for 1,299 Euro/$1,892.
The SIG SAUER P 226 X-SIX is 2,345 Euro/$3,415

No wonder the Sig Mosquito is the best seller only 345 Euro/$500.

You have to add to cost of a permit onto that of course which makes it worse. But at least we can buy handguns which is a big change from a couple of years ago.

I know they have a factory in Germany but surely Sig is more of a Swiss company than German?

My understanding is, the Swiss have very strict export laws. So to be able to sell them outside of Switzerland they went into business with Sauer to make the guns in Germany. I have not kept that close of a watch, but I don’t thing Sig has ever been bought out or changed hands.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by storch
while the glock is a fine choice in weapon I personally don't care for them.

Exactly, much like cars, there is no such thing as "the best" handgun, but if I had to make a call I would say the 1911 would be "the Best" and the glock would not make my list.


Anyone that fanatical about a gun choice is not going to give you reasonable advice.

[Saxman]

*Yawn*




Big gun needs a big picture.

[acfireguy26]

Wow BIG PHOTO  ^^^

[acfireguy26]

I really like my Springfield XD45.





The top 2 pics are not of my actual XD45 but are a closer picture showing more detail.

[Shuffler]

Actually an XD puts the hand in a more natural position than the glock... which I have always found to have an odd angle. Making the HD much easier to shoot accurately. My XD45 is the Tactical 5 inch and I carry that.... not the smallest but just fine. I keep one clip in with 12 and none chambered... then 2 extra clips. I keep a mossy in my truck.

[Terror]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
IE makes a retard out of himself.

Appreciate the personal attack, but respect it.

Glocks are extremely reliable, accurate, and easy to use firearms.  From 4 years experience in competition, I see Glocks, more than any other firearm being used.  

And to show you what a Glock can do in a Master level shooters hands see the championship list on TeamGlock's Dave Sevigny page and Sevigny Performance HomePage.

After spending a day training with Dave, he really shows you what a Glock can do with the right training and practice.  It's amazing.

T

[Terror]

Originally posted by Shuffler
Actually an XD puts the hand in a more natural position than the glock... which I have always found to have an odd angle. Making the HD much easier to shoot accurately. My XD45 is the Tactical 5 inch and I carry that.... not the smallest but just fine. I keep one clip in with 12 and none chambered... then 2 extra clips. I keep a mossy in my truck.

I owned an XD.  The trigger was spongy and not precise.  Most places I asked about it said "get used to it" or "send it back to Springfield for a trigger job" (for a nominal fee).  I decided it wasn't worth the extra effort or money, since I have the Glocks, so sold it.  Got what I paid for it, so was wasn't to upset with it.  Used the money to purchase a Ruger GP100 .357Mag Revolver to replace it.  Very happy with the GP100.

T

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Terror
Appreciate the personal attack, but respect it.

Glocks are extremely reliable, accurate, and easy to use firearms.  From 4 years experience in competition, I see Glocks, more than any other firearm being used.  

And to show you what a Glock can do in a Master level shooters hands see the championship list on TeamGlock's Dave Sevigny page and Sevigny Performance HomePage.

After spending a day training with Dave, he really shows you what a Glock can do with the right training and practice.  It's amazing.

T

I don't dispute any of that.

Glocks are fine firearms. As are the Springfield SDs, but I don't have to like them no mater how hard you preach.

Your problem is your religion is Glock.

[SIG220]

Originally posted by Terror

Generally speaking, the ones that don't shoot, and for sure the ones that don't want to shoot fast and accurately.
The folks that seem to really like their sigs are the ones that talk about owning a Sig alot.

You are by far the most opinionated and biased person that I ever have heard speak about guns.   And if you think that posting your bogus disclaimer before you then proceed to do just the very opposite and make such extremely biased criticisms of the choices of others somehow means that you are not being totally oblivious and headstrong, well, no one here is going to buy such nonsense from you.   So you have chosen to own and shoot Glocks, well that's fine with me.  Everyone is entitled to their own personal preferences and choices.  So how about showing us what an expert you are at shooting your Glock?   Go ahead and post a photo here of yourself with your Glock.

At least posting a photo would prove that you actually OWN a Glock, and are not some kind of want a be who just pretends at being a gun owner.
 
The notion that SIG handguns are not accurate is one of the most ridiculous things that I have ever heard.  I've shot all types and brands of guns, and both of my SIG .45's will out-shoot my Glock 17 easily.

I have found that people who like to flame and bash the opinions of others are usually folks who conveniently hide behind the anonymity of ridiculous and silly handles.  They get some kind of immature thrill out of acting out online.  Anyway, that is what I have observed over the years.

Here is a photo of me at the range with my son Todd, just after I had bought us  our matching father-son pair of compact SIG .45's  I'm holding the very first target that I shot with mine at 25 yards, using an extended grip 8 shot magazine with the gun.  All but one of the shots touched the bullseye, and this was just using the factory fixed sights as they came from the factory.  A number of the shots went into one big ragged hole.





I've been shooting handguns since I was 15 years old.  When I was in my late teens and early 20's, I used to practice at the Coyote Point range right next to Steve Reiter all the time.  In fact, he was there at the range shooting just about every time I went there to practice.  However, that was a couple of decades before he started winning all of his national handgun shooting championships at Camp Perry.  

You come across to me as being a most disrespectful, arrogant, and opinionated person.  You need to lighten your superiority attitude big time.

Lance  AKA SIG220

[SIG220]

Originally posted by GtoRA2


Your problem is your religion is Glock.

Like you, I also have high regard for the Springfield XD series.   While I have never owned one, the two guns belonging to friends that I have shot both had triggers pulls much superior to that of the Glock.   I found them much easier to shoot accurately, compared to the accuracy that I have had shooting Glocks.  

My first Glock was a model 19 shortly after they came out.   But it shot so very bad for me, that I later sold it and replaced it with a Model 17.  But I have never been able to get comfortable using the Glock Striker trigger, and never shoot my Glock 17 anymore.  The XD comes across to me as a much improved design over the Glock.   However, I personally like the older traditional DA/SA pull that the SIG offers, with an initial Double action pull, and crisp Single action pulls after that.

What this TERROR ( an appropriate handle for him, in my opinion ) doesn't get is that other people may have very different experiences and impressions of guns than he does.  His intense fervor is very much like that of a religious fanatic.  You really hit the nail on that with your observation of him.

Lance   AKA  SIG 220

[deSelys]

SIG220, the finger on the trigger instead of along the slide is unforgivable but... nice pic.

[Suave]

Speaking of sigs hogue makes nice wooden grips for them now. Used to be if you wanted custom wood grips you would have to order them from a company in europe.

I got some checkered cocobolo grips because I like to say cocobolo. Anyway I'm quite pleased with them.

[lazs2]

I don't like blocks.   don't want to own one.   I don't kill paper and steel for a living or a sport tho.   If I wanted a gun that did one thing good.. did well in competition..  pretend gun fights... I would probly have a block.

But...  I would have to forget everything I already learned in almost 50 years about handguns.    They don't point right.. they don't feel right and they have a trigger that I would not accept on anything but a last ditch firearm.

I am not all that big a fan of semiautos anyway but the block goes way overboard for me...  It doesn't look or feel like a real gun and it has a crummy trigger.

I think that for new guys they are fine.. if you don't care for form and only function.. if you don't reload and you don't shoot at any ranges farther than the indoor range and you don't ever need it to stop anything tougher than a human.

But.. there is something to pride of ownership.. it may not be all that tangible but.. if you have a black plastic gun.. you just have a black cheap looking tool.

You don't really want to use it much (competition excepted).   You don't take pride in the thing except as how good a tool it is.  

I want metal and wood in my firearms.. I want a good trigger that acts like a trigger should..  I want single action or single action capability for that shot I need to make (and I have shot hundreds of thousands of rounds out of double action revolvers).

I want to see the hammer.  

blocks are great competition guns.   I don't compete.. I can't think of any situation that you would use a gun for that resembles what blocks do well in competition.   Unless you are some special forces rescue team that can't afford long guns.

face it.. for concealed carry... a j frame smith is all you will ever need.  a .357 j frame is more than enough to stop anyone..  and.. if they are too far away for that... they are no threat anyway.. if I need to reload... I shouldn't be in the fight but.. a jet loader will put in 5 fresh ones real quick.

For playing around... I like wood and steel.. history..feel.. fun.  I shoot the kimber a lot but hate cleaning up the brass... for serious plinking..  I use revolvers.

I would not feel at a disadvantage with the black powder revolver shown..

The guy who wins those competitions...   I bet he really is good.   I bet I can find more than a few that can kill him before he clears leather tho using a hundred year old plus black powder revolver.   they are still fastest in the world for first shot.

I bet I can beat his block at 300 yards.   I bet that he can't beat the revolver record for fastest timed 6 shots on target.   even seven.

I bet he can beat everyone on the "course" tho.

Nothing wrong with that.. just as there is nothing wrong with the other shooting sports... that does not make a firearm overall superior to one or the other tho.

I would own a sig or a hk over the block tho..  I would just put up with the fact that in certain events... the block would beat me.  I don't really care... I don't compete in em and don't even care to watch em.

lazs

[Terror]

This thread  has a picture of my safe.  I will have to get the collection out and take some pics.  Have a few trophies too.  See if I can fit those in for ya...

Yes, I have a predisposition to Glock firearms.  They have proven their capabilities to me over and over again.  After being trained on and shooting Sigs, I determined they are definitely inferior to the Glock line.  And on top of it all, they end up costing 100-150% more than their Glock equivalent.

Revolvers are great guns.  My GP100 is an extremely fun gun to shoot.  While firing it single action, 75yrd and 100yrd shots are surprizingly easy.  (Could probably get more range out of it, but have never attempted anything farther.)  Other than the requirement to reload more often, and the heavier weight, revolvers are a great carry/defense weapon.

Other auto's are fine also: 1911's, HK, XDs, and even FN are outstanding auto's.  Just Sig sits on the bottom of the list, in my opinion.

You are by far the most opinionated and biased person

Every post on this thread is opinionated and biased, starting from the opening post.  I hold Glock in high regard and point out what I feel are failings in the other auto's.  It seems that every other poster is doing the same thing about his/her choice/non-choice in firearms....

The notion that SIG handguns are not accurate is one of the most ridiculous things that I have ever heard.

Didn't say they weren't accurate.  I said they were hard to be "fast AND accurate".  Get the demonstrated grouping with 10 rounds in say ... 8 seconds at 10yrds.  Thats actually pretty slow for competition standards.

Terror