How do u recover from this?

[crockett]

I can recover from pretty much any spin I get my self into. However since I've been playing this game, I've managed to get myself in a upside-down flat spin on two or three occasions.

I've done it twice while flying a 110 and this morning I managed to do it in a Huri 1. It seems to happen in underpowered planes when you are trying to push it just a but too hard in a climb.

I call it a flat spin, but in reality it's not a spin as the aircraft isn't spinning, it's just basically upside down stalled out and pretty much falling out of the sky.

I've done this on several occasions while flying 110's and stalling it right side up. In which case it's a easy kill the engine and let the nose come down for recovery.

However I can't seem to recover if the planes is stalled out upside down. Killing the engine has no effect.  I've tried using the rudders even tried putting the plane into a actual real flat spin to try to get it to recover.

It seems nothing I try allows the plane to pull out of that kind of spin. Is this just a bug or is it a real case of there is no way out of a upside-down flat spin?

[B@tfinkV]

turn the engine off is my first choice. then push forward and full rudder, wait a few seconds and you will start to go nose heavy almost everytime. then just switch on the engine and youre away.

sometimes you need to jiggle the throttle not turn it off, and sometimes you need to pull your flaps in quicker to stop the spin in the first place, especialy in spits.


number one rule to avoid this spin: Push forward on the stick, even when it doesnt seem like the right thing to do it often rights your angel of attack before you even get into the spin.

so:
engine off
push forward
flaps in
play with torque

at least one of them should help if not work.

[SteveBailey]

In a 51 it's pretty easy: full power on will bring the plane right side up but it will probably start to spin so power off, dive until you have enough speed that all the surfaces are flying again, power on and off you go.  I'd imagine recovery in any single engine plane is similar.

For the 110, next time try power to just one engine.

[crockett]

I tried killing the engine, but I think you mean pull back on the stick right? If the plane is inverted and I pushed down it would try to lift the nose.

I pretty much did that, meaning I killed the engine and tried pulling back on the stick, the nose came down a little but wasn't enough to pull me out of it.

Maybe it's because it was a hurri 1 without the fuel injection, because the engine stayed stalled out. So I couldn't restart it while upside down.

[BaldEagl]

I had that happen to me in a Spit once.  Nothing I did helped.  I floated to the ground inverted at about the speed of a chute.

[crockett]

This is the film if anyone isn't sure what I'm talking about.  Film

It was totally my mistake in putting myself in the situation, it  was the classic P51 that had alt on me. So I  dodged his dives a few times and made him commit to my fight.

I put a few rounds in him and thought I thought I had the E to make the up and over. I would have ended up on his six in a good position to make the final kill. However instead I misjudged my E and made the mistake which put in a compromising position with my pants down.

In hind sight I should have turned him another turn or two, I guess I got a little impaitient.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by crockett
I tried killing the engine, but I think you mean pull back on the stick right? If the plane is inverted and I pushed down it would try to lift the nose.
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yup. strange as it sounds sometimes you want to push forward even when it seems wrong.

[stephen]

what you describing is usualy due to being in a low energy state while trying to pull over the top of a loop, some A/C like the p51 and spits are prone to this {pony especialy due to its fuel tank mounted behind the cg}

Setting up a rythmic pattern of full for, followd by full aft on the elevator will somtimes get the pony to nose down enough to recover, most times however ive lost almost 10k before the recovery, so the best advice really is to take it ez on the stick presure at the top of loops, and dont get in the situation to begin with...

[dedalos]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
In a 51 it's pretty easy: full power on will bring the plane right side up but it will probably start to spin so power off, dive until you have enough speed that all the surfaces are flying again, power on and off you go.  I'd imagine recovery in any single engine plane is similar.

For the 110, next time try power to just one engine.

Nop, for example, in a 109 you can do anything you can imagine to the plane and it will not do the floaty to the ground thingie.  It will recover from any stall/spin.  In a spit, if you stall upside down or amazingly when your nose is already pointing down, just .ef and get a new one.

[kennyhayes]

i use opposite rudder chop throttle and push down on stick

[crockett]

Originally posted by stephen
what you describing is usualy due to being in a low energy state while trying to pull over the top of a loop, some A/C like the p51 and spits are prone to this {pony especialy due to its fuel tank mounted behind the cg}

Setting up a rythmic pattern of full for, followd by full aft on the elevator will somtimes get the pony to nose down enough to recover, most times however ive lost almost 10k before the recovery, so the best advice really is to take it ez on the stick presure at the top of loops, and dont get in the situation to begin with...

Well I was flying a Huri 1 against a P51D. I was doing what felt like a doable over the top loop, but at the top of the loop the plane got too slow and flipped around on me a few times uncontrolled.  Then ended up upside down in the stall.

It was mainly because I tried to rush the fight. I pretty much know what I did wrong, I'm more interrested in figuring out how to pull out of it once the mistake is made.

Who knows if I'll ever find myself in that position again, as it's only happened to me 3 times. I'd juswt like to be ready if there is a next time.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by stephen
what you describing is usualy due to being in a low energy state while trying to pull over the top of a loop, some A/C like the p51 and spits are prone to this {pony especialy due to its fuel tank mounted behind the cg}

Setting up a rythmic pattern of full for, followd by full aft on the elevator will somtimes get the pony to nose down enough to recover,

as I said, full throttle, neutral control... the pony will flip over then probably enter a spin.... see my above post.

[BluKitty]

Well I'd say in most planes, torque would be your friend here.   But the Hurri I will not have this option due to engine loss with negative G's.

Like others have said ... nose down, and rudder with torque.  Don't try to directly recover from a flat spin.... first just get into another type of spin that is easier to deal with.

[crockett]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
as I said, full throttle, neutral control... the pony will flip over then probably enter a spin.... see my above post.

Yea but what I was flying the Hurri 1 which doesn't have fuel injection, so the engine shuts off at negitive G's as bluekitty said. The P51 was the plane I was fighting against.

So the full throttle option is a no go on that plane. So it seems the only option would be to go stick down. With the 110 if it happens I'll try the full throttle and maybe turning off one engine.

Actually I might have to play around with this in the offline, to see if just a stick forward will work in a Hurri 1.

Thanks for the tips everyone..

[TwentyFo]

Was going to post something very similar to this one a few nights ago. A few months ago I was flying at 15+ in a Mossy bomber hunting. I got one of my engines shot out on one of my passes. I stalled out in the climb and my Mossy began to stall out. The airplane began to just fall directly from 16K+ straight down, no spinning or nothing. I shut my good engine off and tried to push the nose over. That didnt work. Everything I tried didnt work. I couldn't believe that I couldnt get the plane out of the stall. This was a first for me.

Crockett, I can totally relate to what you went through. I don't know if this is realism, or some kind of error in the aerodynamics of Mossies.