so what do you do?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
clint is the best coyboy of all time. the dude smoked so many cigarillos his lip moulded with a hole for them.

Well that's got Freud written all over it.

[Gunthr]

one time i was riding my bike on the sidewalk around an airport and this huge obstinate weightlifter dude about 6'5' and 250 lbs was rollerblading with his workout bunny and he refused to move so i could get around him and he made a smartprettythang remark at me.  

I told him, "You know, I've got half a mind to get off my bike and kick your prettythang right in front of your bimbo."  He was so pissed he tried to come after me but he lost his balance, and was doing one of those "whoaaoo" things, waving his arms in the air.  "I said, "Look at you, you dumbprettythang, you can't even skate."  

Then i took off on my bike before he could take off his skates and try to catch me

the moral of the story is, always try to have an advantage of some kind if you are gonna mouth off at somebody bigger than you.

[nirvana]

When it comes to violence I'm all about the bear hug from the side.  It's rib splitting fun.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by AKIron
Or, unless someone stronger than you is threatening to take your possessions or your life, in which case a gun becomes infinitely more useful.

But the chanses of that happening are minute. If it does happen i bet that in 99% of the time you can just hand over your possessions and walk away.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by Arlo
Well that's got Freud written all over it.

jesus! what an unlikely typo

calling Dr Freud

[SteveBailey]

See Rule #5

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
See Rule #5

Id rather be a sheep than a dead dad.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Id rather be a sheep than a dead dad.

No, you'd rather put up your hands and leave your fate in the hands of a violent criminal:

hand over your possessions and walk away.

No thanks, I'd rather not have my life depend on a complete stranger who has already shown a willingness to commit violent crime.  I'll keep my  fate in my own hands, thanks.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Leslie
I am no expert, but here's my viewpoint.  About the only things you can do to survive if a person running amok comes in and starts shooting is either run and hide or put the offense on him, or maybe some of each.  You have nothing to lose if there is no escape.  I hope no one here ever runs into a situation like that.  

Lazs makes some good points, and has more experience then most when it comes to rough customers.  I respect his experience and opinion very much.  It's easy to forget there is a lot of evil going on in the world, because most of the time we deal with nice people.  We are taken by surprise when evil things happen.  It is difficult to be on guard all the time as well, but it is necessary to do the best we can.

My thoughts are based on what I've heard over the years from people who I believe to be knowledgeable.  If someone is out to get you they will try.  There is a saying: To be forewarned is to be forearmed.  Realize if someone is  really after you, they will probably get you.  Always take a death threat seriously.

On a different level with different motivations, thugs and muggers are opportunists looking for easy marks.  They are as Lazs described, either after money or to harm you.  Things you can do to avoid thuggery is give the appearance you are moving about with purpose.  Don't go about looking like you are lost or aimlessly walking around.  Don't look down at the ground or appear depressed.  Give a healthy and robust appearance, like you are in shape and capable of handling yourself.  Avoid places where trouble might happen, such as rough bars or bad parts of town.  If you see an unsavory looking group headed toward you, cross the street and use that sidewalk.  Avoid public intoxication where you might be unawares of what's going on around you.  Keep an eye peeled in parking lots and at the gas station.  Lock your car doors and keep windows rolled up.  If bumped from behind, look to see who is in the car that bumped you before stopping and getting out to inspect damage.

Couple random thoughts:
Fighting a mugger who wants your wallet is not such a good idea.  Sometimes a mugger may set you up by asking if you have a light, then mug you while you have your hand in your pocket.  If he's after your wallet, take out the wallet and toss it on the ground in front of him.  Do not hand it to him.  He will more likely be distracted or run off if he has to pick up the wallet and it's scattered contents from the ground.  This may give you time to get away as well.  

Don't display a gun to a would be aggressor unless you are willing to kill him.  It may happen that a would be aggressor will not be deterred by the sight of a gun.  If this happens and he walks toward you, you must not allow him to get your gun or to harm you.  You may have to shoot him, even if he is, or appears to be, unarmed.  This would be a very hard thing to do for most folks including myself.

Carrying is very serious business and requires a serious attitude and a great responsibility.  I haven't met Lazs but he sounds like someone worth knowing.  From reading his posts I would feel perfectly comfortable around Lazs.



Les

Personally, I feel a respect and sense of understanding of Lazs.

He has had his brutishly blunt moments with me in the past but I believe he is honest to himself and introspective, nonetheless, about where his mind and heart stands on things as the Lazs of today.

He often makes me think of this guy...


I think his fear of the power of blue people is a bit far-fetched but hey, that is how he feels.

TIGERESS

Edit: I would be lying if I were to say the rugged individualist males I have known were not inherently sexy, by their very nature, all other things being equal... go figure.

[lazs2]

absolute difference between an individualist (and mostly.... American) than being a socialist...  

We tend to not simply want to pay the "tax" to the mugger and hope for the best.  we tend to want to be responsible for ourselves.

I am sure that will never make sense to nelson and his way of bending over and hoping for the best will never make sense to me..

Probly best if he stays there and I stay here.

lazs

[Nilsen]

Well.. your crimerates speaks for itself.

Ill let the criminal take what I have. Im not poor, and the cops will find him later. If you wanna risk getting shot for something that can be replaced then be my guest. Im not that self-centered, but I guess thats part of beeing a so called "socialist" as you call it.

Have a nice day John Wayne & the gang

BOO!! (did i scare you?)  

[lazs2]

well.. I suppose the probly do speak for themselves...  Our white crime rate is probly about the same as yours.   I bet in a place like north and south dakota.. about the size and makeup of your country... I bet it is very comparable.

And.. those people are armed and don't think bending over is and droping drawers is a good solution.

If the only thing in the country that didn't look exactly like me was a snow bear.... I might not be quite so concerned either... course.. who would want to live in such a place?

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Well.. your crimerates speaks for itself.

Ill let the criminal take what I have. Im not poor, and the cops will find him later. If you wanna risk getting shot for something that can be replaced then be my guest. Im not that self-centered, but I guess thats part of beeing a so called "socialist" as you call it.

Have a nice day John Wayne & the gang

BOO!! (did i scare you?)  

I asked a Socialist friend of mine once... If a man is about to kill your son and you had a gun, would you shoot him or let him kill your son?

She is absolutely against any form of violence and guns and the death penalty and would vote to repeal the 2nd amendment yet, said she… “I would kill him under those conditions.”

In my view, we are humans first... lefties and righties second.

We all have instincts we might not even fully appreciate till the time comes which activates them.

TIGERESS

[SteveBailey]

See Rules #4, #5

[SteveBailey]

See Rules #4, #2