Skuzzy/HiTech - Feature Request (Rerun)

[Chalenge]

As few times as it happens to me it wont make a difference but it is irritating and flying with bombs in fighter mode doesnt make any sense at all so that argument is indefensible. As far as scoring goes I could do a lot better than escorting my squaddies in their bombers and flying the P51 is not the way to rank high so your full of hooey there. I score well just having fun. I think if I really wanted to rank higher the kids that are scoring well would be heartbroken. How much time I fly is a good point. Since you dont fly that often your opinion should count less.

You completely missed the request about the CVs.

[hubsonfire]

While I don't see the immediate harm in making one give up the CV when in flight, the bit about having HT change the coading to protect your score is just silly. Seriously, if score matters to you, and it apparently does, then you will go that extra mile and click the button. If it doesn't, you wouldn't be annoyed by "wasting" that sortie anyway, and there would be no request for that feature.

[Chalenge]

Okay Ill explain this so you can understand why it was brought up since you seem so mesmerized by score. I assure you it is only your own 'imagination' that cause you to think I care about score. My score comes about just by being in the game. I am not even trying. It just happens. I dont vulch I dont fly from CVs and I dont bomb from a Stuka like the score potatos you admire so much. I do occasionally camp while waiting on guys to capture a field or shut down a VH. But this isnt about me. I posted this feature request because I really think the changes need to be made. So here is my explanation so even you long term 'experts' can understand it.

We have a new guy flying with us. Lets call him John Pilot Noob. John flies for a few days and discovers a squad to fly with during his trial period. The squad flies together and does fighter sweeps escorts their own bombers and do attack sorties. John is flying with them but he doesnt know about the fighter and attack buttons. Somehow he figures out how to load bombs. At first John sucks at bombing from a fighter. He augers a lot or drops short and then long but finally he gets to where he can hit his target. Then John reads in the text buffer one day that one of the squad guys he is flying with has a really really nice rank and now Noob learns about rank and score. He still hasnt managed to bring another plane down but he knows how to bomb and he knows he has killed tanks and hangars during all those attack missions and now he wants to see his score.

Score 0    Rank 5238.

Now John Pilot Noob feels like this is a horrible joke on him and all his hard work has come to nothing.

Have a nice day!

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Chalenge
Okay Ill explain this so you can understand why it was brought up since you seem so mesmerized by score. I assure you it is only your own 'imagination' that cause you to think I care about score. My score comes about just by being in the game. I am not even trying. It just happens. I dont vulch I dont fly from CVs and I dont bomb from a Stuka like the score potatos you admire so much. I do occasionally camp while waiting on guys to capture a field or shut down a VH. But this isnt about me. I posted this feature request because I really think the changes need to be made. So here is my explanation so even you long term 'experts' can understand it.

We have a new guy flying with us. Lets call him John Pilot Noob. John flies for a few days and discovers a squad to fly with during his trial period. The squad flies together and does fighter sweeps escorts their own bombers and do attack sorties. John is flying with them but he doesnt know about the fighter and attack buttons. Somehow he figures out how to load bombs. At first John sucks at bombing from a fighter. He augers a lot or drops short and then long but finally he gets to where he can hit his target. Then John reads in the text buffer one day that one of the squad guys he is flying with has a really really nice rank and now Noob learns about rank and score. He still hasnt managed to bring another plane down but he knows how to bomb and he knows he has killed tanks and hangars during all those attack missions and now he wants to see his score.

Score 0    Rank 5238.

Now John Pilot Noob feels like this is a horrible joke on him and all his hard work has come to nothing.

Have a nice day!

I suppose that John Pilot Noob cannot read and is a "by the seat of your pants" kinda guy?

[Helm]

This might be the worst Idea ever? ....do you even bother thinking about what you are asking the program to do?

....every cycle the program has to determine who is in command?...then it has to figure out the range??  ....what a waste power

If you dont like how a CV group is being used...get some rank and take the CV from the person in command .....if you don't have the rank get someone you know who does have rank to do it for you ....better yet, get the Wizard of Oz to give you a brain!!

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by Chalenge
........ Then John reads in the text buffer one day that one of the squad guys he is flying with has a really really nice rank and now Noob learns about rank and score. He still hasnt managed to bring another plane down but he knows how to bomb and he knows he has killed tanks and hangars during all those attack missions and now he wants to see his score.

Score 0    Rank 5238.

Now John Pilot Noob feels like this is a horrible joke on him and all his hard work has come to nothing.

Have a nice day!

.......oh I get it !!! it is about score and rank !


whether you get "scores" for it or not a dead GV is STILL a dead GV so John Pilot Noob is doing a great job helping his squad, and is having fun.

[Ghastly]

Originally posted by Helm
This might be the worst Idea ever? ....do you even bother thinking about what you are asking the program to do?

....every cycle the program has to determine who is in command?...then it has to figure out the range??  ....what a waste power

 

Actually, all that would have to happen is that the front end of the person in command would have to periodically check their distance from the CV, and relinquish control if they are too far away from it.  You obviously have never programmed if you are worrying about the "load on the computer" - it would be utterly trivial.

I'd suggest that the range be longer than vox range - perhaps something more on the order of 25 to 50 miles.   This allows the commander of the CV to participate in whatever events are taking place within the CV's general area without overly worrying about "dropping" control at a critical point - like just when the CV needs to turn because a bomber drop is immanent, because he "popped" just out of VOX range.  

Beyond that though and I tend to agree that it's probably not ideal - in part because it opens it up for abuse - to allow someone completely across the map in remain in control of it.  

[Shuffler]

Originally posted by Bronk
Crap I clicked on the wrong base and took off. HT I need a mulligan.

[WaRLoCkL]

Not to discredit u chalange, but what your basicly asking hightech to do is take away the responsibity of the pilot.

It is the Pilot's responsiblity to make sure his load outs are right and proper mode is selected.

It is also the countrys responsibility to protect their cv, i can promise u a CV will not die when the right precautions are made with it attacks a field

one being man all guns, and destroy ordinace at that field, then have planes fly HIGH cap at a perimiter around the cv and nothing can touch it.

It is also the country responsibility to make sure the cv is operated corretcly, if i see someone operating it that is not doing a good job i take it from them.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion howeever u can see that knowone agrees with this idea, and for good reason, something things sound like a good idea until u get advice from others on it.

but neither of this is a good idea.

[Chalenge]

I can promise you that any time I want to kill a cv and especially one that cant turn because the guy controlling it is 200 miles away that cv is going to die.

Once again and you are making me repeat myself it is not a question of responsibility its a matter of problem and solution.

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Chalenge
and flying with bombs in fighter mode doesnt make any sense at all so that argument is indefensible.

That's just wrong.  Here is a scenario.  You are participating on a field assult, and being intercepted before reaching the target is likely.  If you launch in attack mode, and have to drop ords due to being bounced, every piece of ord you dump will negatively affect your hit%, D/D, D/S.  If you launch in fighter mode, dumped ord is unscored, and there are no negative effects on your score.  However, if you make it to the target with ords, you are now in a position to help take down targets.  You will not get scored for destroying objects and GVs with them, but there are no negative effects on your score either.

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Chalenge
Once again and you are making me repeat myself it is not a question of responsibility its a matter of problem and solution.

The solution already exists.  If you don't like what the commander of a CV is doing, carry a rank so that you're able to take over command.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by Chalenge
I can promise you that any time I want to kill a cv and especially one that cant turn because the guy controlling it is 200 miles away that cv is going to die.

Once again and you are making me repeat myself it is not a question of responsibility its a matter of problem and solution.

PROBLEM - taking off in fighter mode when u want to attack gvs, boats, land targerts.

SOLUTION - correctly set up your load out and, spend 1 second to make sure u are on correct mode.

PROBLEM - CV controler does not command his post and gets out of range letting CV DIE

SOLUTION - Properly defend the CV, command it yourself, or post that it needs a commander

see this is my point challenge, I just gave u 2 very great solutions, it only took me a few minutes, and I saved HighTech a ton of man hours and money.

Boy now if only the govt would hire me to problem solve we would all get more taxes back LOL.

There is 2 sides to everything chalenge, and your solution to the problem u are having is by far the most difficult and time consuming one to apply.

and balive me, if my squad is over a  cv defending it unless u come in at 30k u wont make it.

[Chalenge]

Scenario: A whiner and the game is full of them cries to the one guy online and flying for your country that has more rank that the commander of a cv is going to get it killed. So the lower rank guy that is 200 miles away turns the cv away just as bombers come down from the stern and have a really easy job DIVE BOMBING the cv.

This will always happen because people of all opinions on how to use a cv will always be in the game and whether they have a clue as to shore batteries and bombers they want the cv close so they can shoot buildings or far away so it isnt even being used.

Concerning the fighter and attack settings I suggested the change because I believe it will make it more enjoyable for new people. After you have experience is the only time you will know about things like the likelihood of getting bounced and dropping ord and you can use your experience to determine the proper setting. It should be easier for the beginners (like auto-takeoff always being on by default after a first-time install) so they have more fun and stick around longer. Aces High is very frustrating at first and now that a few bad apples have ruined HTH we should do whatever we can to make the game more enjoyable and the frustration level as short as possible.

Warlockl I can assure you that a determined attacker will get past any defense that is tied to a fixed object like a CV. Any defense you can mount can be overcome by an organized attack. Im just trying to make that a little more difficult to acomplish because I do agree with the people that think that CV fights near a base are the most fun there is in the game. Its always a shame to see the battle end.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Chalenge
I can promise you that any time I want to kill a cv and especially one that cant turn because the guy controlling it is 200 miles away that cv is going to die.

Once again and you are making me repeat myself it is not a question of responsibility its a matter of problem and solution.

I can be flying a P-51 fully loaded on climout 200 miles away from a CV and still control it effectively.

What does the plane I am flying and its loadout have to do with this?

Nothing, neither does the distance I am from the CV.