Terminal Ballistics as viewed in a Morgue

[Airscrew]

 Bone

or maybe he meant muscles...

[lazs2]

no round is foolproof but...  all else being equal... if they all take the same path and hit the same things...  you are gonna want the bigger rounds or the .357

that is not to say that other rounds don't work or don't work better even when they have a superior, by intent or luck, path.. it is just that you have an advantage with the heavier calibers.

As for hollow points?   I like em cause they get the center of mass back on the bullet.   they can be slightly more accurate.

An interesting round is the one that looks like hardball FMJ but has a plastic ball over the massive hollow point.   The idea being that it will feed in semi autos like hardball and the hollow point will not fill up with the bad guys clothes..  

I can imagine that this would be devestating in a 44 mag.  the 44 has enough power to push a quarter sized deformed slug through tissue and bone.

lazs

[B@tfinkV]

as a brit i have no clue about firearms.

one thing i do notice is that hardly anyone mentions the .50 pistols.

Is the Desert Eagle, and similar weapons, a waste of time? Popular film would have us believe a .50 pistol will shoot through brick walls and still hurt people.

are these guns not all that in reality?

[lazs2]

they are huge and bulky so why bother?   if you need that kind of power there are more powerful handguns.. the 460 and 480 and 454 all have more power and are less bulky in most cases.  the 50 is pretty much a toy and a movie prop.

lazs

[B@tfinkV]

right you are lazs, does make a loud noise tho.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

The Desert Eagle is chambered in 50AE, it isn't really that hot a round. And no, it won't go through brick walls and take people out.

The 500 and 475 Linebaugh are both more powerful. They can be had in Maximum versions that are even more powerful.

[GtoRA2]

That was a LONG but interesting read.

I love how the 9mm weenies went after him towards the end.  Every subject has to have it's fanatics.

We have Terror here for ours.

[Jarski]

I loaded my 45-70  Marlin with 58gr N133 powder and 350gr Hornady Flat nose bullet.

One shot on a running elk at 50meters. She was dead before hitting the ground. The shot hit her on the right front section going through front leg and entering thorax. Blew heart out. The shot was found later fully mushroomed inside thorax.

There was no need for additional shots.

Usually .308 is used here for elk hunting and even after a succesfull hit the animal may run quite a distance after being hit because the bullet is so small->bleeding is quite minimal. And if you do not hit vital organs the animal can go on for several days.

With 45-70 if you hit you will at least make so big hole that the animal bleeds to death.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Angus
Well, if you want a gun for home defence, why do you want to shoot someone running away through a wall?
A .22 will actually fly nicely through some wood. NP.

Coming to think of it, maybe a small caliber is better  for home defence? Small, fast, silent, and equally lethal if you hit in the right spot.

Or an UZI?

                         Overall small calibers are about as useful as tits on a bull. Im talking "under .38" here. Yes, everyone has heard the stories of the one .22 bullet causing catastrophic death however Ive never seen it. And if you really want to see "truly useless" then load them with ball ammo.

                     Ive seen people killed by .22s and .25s but each and every-time they had enough juice left in them to kill a busload of enemies before themselves succumbing, whether they did or didn't. The idea is to stop them before they stop you! "Killing" them is somthing that happens later.

                  And any .38/9mm or larger caliber will do it efficiently providing you use quality ammo, put the bullets in heart/lung, and keep shooting until hes down. Forget this "zipper" method of placing bullets. For one thing the BG isn't going to be posing for you while you expertly "zip him up", and secondly why would you waste bullets with gut shooting? Especially when the guy is shooting back and might not let you finish the "zip" you started.

              Many of you aren't LEOs or soldiers but you are hunters and have seen yourselves the benefits of using efficient calibers, well constructed bullets, and good shot placement. Its no different in self defense. Meat is meat!

            Bgs are getting a lot more technically proficient nowadays. Most of all the street gangster types I see most often. Its the internet yaknow. Compared to when I first started, when they almost always had useless calibers and ammo, nowadays they far more often have efficient weapons and premium ammo loaded in them.

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
The Desert Eagle is chambered in 50AE, it isn't really that hot a round. And no, it won't go through brick walls and take people out.

The 500 and 475 Linebaugh are both more powerful. They can be had in Maximum versions that are even more powerful.

speaking of Maximum,  whatever happened to the .357 Maximum, I recall Ruger had a Blackhawk chambered for it and I think Winchester had a Model 94 for it.  I just dont hear about them, did they just die of neglect?

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Airscrew
speaking of Maximum,  whatever happened to the .357 Maximum, I recall Ruger had a Blackhawk chambered for it and I think Winchester had a Model 94 for it.  I just dont hear about them, did they just die of neglect?

To make a 475 or 500 Linebaugh Maximum you need a 357 Maximum Ruger revolver. Ruger ceased production of the Maximum because of the flame cutting of the frame. A few came close to failing as the top strap was torched by the flame from the powder.