Author Topic: A question of respect... (Read 3467 times)

storch · « **Reply #15 on:** November 13, 2007, 08:09:01 AM »

nothing against what you typed sir. if you allow but a little time you will probably see what I mean.

raptor33 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 13, 2007, 08:15:32 AM »

Such is my poiint Storch. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I wrote. I said what I know and I said what I feel. Unfortunately, the responses are not debate responses. Instead they are childish responses...in a nutshell, jerks saying "it's my game and I dont want you playing it".....I dont want to interact with such childish personalities. Yes....I guess you guys won...so go in the corner and enjoy it (dont forget the tissues for the mess). You have successfully made one guy realize that this is not a game for adults. Starting to see why an arena with such a good set up is always so empty. Well, it is now empty by one more.
Raptor 33

storch · « **Reply #17 on:** November 13, 2007, 08:20:16 AM »

wow. you do realize that I'm agreeing with you right? once again it's your 15 bucks and you guys are doing exactly what your 15 bucks permits you to do.

sorry If I have offended you that was not my intention. if it were, believe me you would know, I'm not in the least bit cryptic about anything.

raptor33 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 13, 2007, 08:30:15 AM »

No Storch...it is not what you said. I thought I made that clear. It is what you predict will happen with what I said...and you are right. Look, I have fouind in this arena that no matter what I say or do, it will be met with ridicule and insults. Such crap does not phase me in the least. Instead, however, it made me realize that my "playmates" are mostly children. I am too old to play with children. There are other sims and other forms of entertainment that I can indulge in that will replace AH.....where I can feel that I am interacting with adults....adults that I can learn from, enjoy my time with.....and create memories for when I am too old to see the computer screen.
Thanks for your help Storch.....no insult or sarcasm...I mean it.
Thanks.

Raptor

humble · « **Reply #19 on:** November 13, 2007, 08:39:37 AM »

Hmmmm.....

I cant recall anyplace where I asked, implied or "ordered" you guys to either leave the arena or "change" your style of play. In fact every post i've made regarding you guys (including this thread) has been an attempt to help nudge you along the learning curve.

Now if we go back to last week you guys couldnt defend A4 which was your base of operations. You simply dont have the skillset to project a FAO so the fight eneded up over your base. Since you were operationally inept you couldnt mount any real offensive either and got chopped up piecemeal.

Now this week when I came in you'd already been up for a bit and as I stated had ruffled feathers based on "conduct". As I stated you had 9-3 numbers so to any veteran here its a simple matter to roll a half dozen bases with those numbers. Now my observation is that you managed to alienate (and lose the respect of) those few guys there to oppose you.

Your entirely correct about how the arena was designed or is "intended" to be used. While no attempt (correctly) is made by the designer to force a given style of play arena balance is an ongoing issue. Various controls have been put in place to manage that aspect of the game. So in the sense that your relatively meager numbers can in fact overwhelm the balance (sadly) you can effect the quality of play. This is however balanced by the overall lack of skills you display (for now at least).

Dont confuse ACM and flight model differences. I'm certainly not the best stick in the AvA but I am a former trainer here and reasonably competent in just about every ride. Your fighter issues have nothing to do with the flight model. As a group your ACM deficient and have poor or non existant wingman tactics IMO.

There is no question that to a degree we do occasionally treat the AvA as a type of dueling arena....however its not really "forced" on anyone and is not applicable to you guys.

Lets look at my 1st encounter with the avengers. When I logged on I was told you were high and storch and a few others were under you. I flew to the area in a C205 and found 4 of you over a few friendlies...I popped lutrrel at the top of a zoom in a 38 and then dispatched the other 3 in short order...none of you had top cover, none of you were flying a true wing. Not one of you reacted to my appearance in a timely manner or made the proper adjustments to the new threat. An altogether dismal display and it hasnt gotten any better. Other then running into Frankc's buff I havent been killed once by you guys...

Respect is a valuable commodity, sad to see you guys squander it so early and easily.

raptor33 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 13, 2007, 08:57:00 AM »

Lack of respect from some kid who happens to be good at a computer game means very little to me Humble, so such is not important.
Have your fun in an empty arena. Now I know what those guys in the main mean, when they talk trash about you as you do about them. WHat they say, you seem to continmually display. What you say, is simply insulting to them and nothing more. Maybe you are better at flying in the arena than they are....but they have not lost sight of reality. Seems to me you have.
One last thing Humble....seems to me you are one of those guys that says the whole world is nuts and I am the only one who is sane.

storch · « **Reply #21 on:** November 13, 2007, 09:10:55 AM »

well raptor as for myself I go into the arena and stay away from the arena with the ebb and flow of the BS. I am one of the best BS slingers you will ever meet in here and out in the everyday world. I have been slinging it since I was a boy, that's what we did we slung smack and if it came to fists it came to fists.

irrespective of outcome the next day it was slinging crap all over again.

that's how it was on the ship I served on, that's how it is in my shop today. consequently I have a very thick hide, I couldn't care less about anyone's opinion or my image. I have a very strong self image and if a person doesn't like me, there must be something seriously wrong with that person.

however I'm well aware that I am a first class grade A undiluted salamander. I love me though so I see no need to change. this is the part where I kiss myself in the mirror.

take these guys with a grain of salt, see if you can get in their heads and see how often you get muted or warned. it's perverse but it smells of ....... VICTORY!!!!!

some of these players grew up in leave it to beaver, I grew up in sanford and son.

humble · « **Reply #22 on:** November 13, 2007, 09:16:27 AM »

raptor,

I've never said a single derogatory word to you guys on 200 or here. I've made observations and suggestions. Your actions created the loss of respect last night, I'm simply taking the time to inform you...

Now at times an objective observation may come across as harsh or derogatory but its not ment that way. If you have 9 to 3 #'s then the 3 guys are going to try and defend or ignore you. I actually augered a plane so I could go lift from A37 once I had a clue were you were. The "issues" were there by the time I got on and it wasnt a tough choice to go fly a few with TC, jam and a few others vs play chase the squad.

I think we'd all like to see you guys develop and improve your overall skill set and quality of play. You've got a thread in the squad "recruiting" BBS...you really think how your percieved is going to help you grow?

I'm not in a position to argue the merit of ACM vs FM...but I can tell you the times I run into you (as a group) your suffering ACM realted issues not FM related ones.

storch · « **Reply #23 on:** November 13, 2007, 09:18:20 AM »

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Originally posted by humble
Hmmmm..... an inordinately long and dull dissertatition by one who should be hunting clues.

dude, get over yourself will you? If you don't I'll reapeatly biotchslap you some more.

raptor33 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 13, 2007, 09:19:19 AM »

It is not thin skin. I live in NY, grew up in the Bronx...saw two friends shot to death, and had a gun pulled on me more than once during my childhood. Not proud of it....but it grew hair on my chest at an early age. Wont even get into my time at ground zero doing rescue and recovery for 3 straight days 12 hours on 8 hours off with the best thing I can hope to come across is some poor soles mangled body....yes...think about it....that is what we HOPED to find seeing as all we saw was rebar and dust.
Truth is...other than a select few, I dont like the guys in the arena. That simple. I dont like them. You give me crap...but I like you. Hell...I like trukill too, and yet he has done nothing BUT insult me.....not thin skin....I just dont like most of the guys. I dont laugh with guys like Kong and Humble...I laugh at them....but not a good laugh..a pathetic laugh. I laugh WITH you and trukill...a big difference. Too bad you are the minority.
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Slash27 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 13, 2007, 09:26:49 AM »

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Originally posted by raptor33
Of course, this is not at all directed to you Storch. You have more than proven to me that you are an individual of integrity and maturity. You advise.....you do not try to look like the king by insulting the newbies. Much appreciated.

Raptor 33

must......resist............. comment...........aaaaaaaaaaa gggggghhhhhhh!!!!!:O

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #26 on:** November 13, 2007, 09:46:57 AM »

just checking thread, have some comments opinions facts and suggestions but , not enough time to indulge all of you right now......

point blank - when suggested and even offered help, the short answer was NO, don't need it , don't want it........from there on it all has gone downhill.........

a failure to communicate

yet, is no different than the rolling of bases ( MISSUNS ) from the horde in the Main Arenas.......just on a smaller scale.......and besides they told us upfront they going to do THEIR thing and fly like this.........they do not respect the arena ethics of side balancing, and oh yes, although I was in the area 1st, they decided to pick my area for their mission, so now tell me I should go to another part of the map.......

and the 1st encounter , I made a nice compliment to 1, about his E Management, never got any social response..........nothing.... .

now they say we are children...... same noob crap, just different noob group......

humble · « **Reply #27 on:** November 13, 2007, 09:48:23 AM »

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Originally posted by raptor33
Lack of respect from some kid who happens to be good at a computer game means very little to me Humble, so such is not important.
Have your fun in an empty arena. Now I know what those guys in the main mean, when they talk trash about you as you do about them. WHat they say, you seem to continmually display. What you say, is simply insulting to them and nothing more. Maybe you are better at flying in the arena than they are....but they have not lost sight of reality. Seems to me you have.
One last thing Humble....seems to me you are one of those guys that says the whole world is nuts and I am the only one who is sane.

Interesting,

Like most of us here I'm far from a "kid". I have no reputation as a trash talker in any arena that I'm aware of. Out of curiousity how about a single recap of an insult or example of "trash talk".

I'm a good but far from great stick. I rarely if ever get wrapped up in rank or won/loss etc. I fly for fun and enjoy a good fight...I'd rather win but as you've said this is a game and in the end its not really all that important.

Now when we come to the issue of "sanity" lets examine that in context.

We have a number of arena's to chose from. While the AvA is the only "historical" arena it also has the lowest numbers. AH has no real AI so there is no true automated defense like a box game would have. So the default skill level for "capture" is absurdly low.

Now you guys want to come here twice a week for a few hours at a time and measure yourself against this absurdly low standard?. So if you were a bunch of guys playing pickup basketball you'd be slumming the elementry school playground looking for a game with the 6th graders??

My initial post here was observational...

When you conduct yourselfs in a way that causes some of the "old guard" to actively ignore you and decide that the loss of respect your beginning to suffer is irrelevent I think your missing the boat. In the end respect is central to good game play.

TC was the 1st person to censure the poor language on 200...the same person most disappointed in your "game play". Also the single person most capable of helping you polish and improve your ACM skills as a group.

Its awful hard to ruffle TC's feathers or lose his respect that quickly and totally. Seperate from the inappropriate diatrabe on 200 I felt it important to make you aware of the erosion in stature the avengers seem to be suffering. A week earlier jam, myself & others would have provided some real opposition instead we simply went to another part of the arena...

Which really doesnt bode well for the quality of your squad nights....unless you really do want a part of the arena to yourselfs?

dedalos · « **Reply #28 on:** November 13, 2007, 10:10:19 AM »

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got home in a timely manner this evening. Logged in and took off, had a good battle with Storch...think he was in a 109K4 or maybe was a G6.I was in a spit VIII.........vry good flying storch landed and logged, and I landed and asked where others were.

was 1 Avenger on and 1 no squad fellow ( new player )

they were hitting undefended axis bases.

I switched to Axis and then 2 more Avengers showed up. Noone was talking, saying hello, nothing...more proceeded to take off and fly under radar to differing fields of the Axis.

looked at roster was 7 Avengers now online, and 2 no squad players on same side as the Avengers verses just 1 Knight ( axis ) which was me. I continued to lok for where these Allied players were. I switched to allied and did a few go to commands. then switched back to Axis..

no les than 8 were flying in P51D's flying now over 18K alt or higher and doing RADAR pork runs.......

I chased these high P51D flyers for almost 3/4's of an hour ...........I finally got lucky and got one to turn and semi engage me...he did well, for the most part he conserved his Energy real good. then he misjudged and rammed into me from behind by going to fast I was flying the Bf110-G2 ( or which ever is enabled )

at this time 2 P51s showed up and started winging together, they started out quiet well, about the 3rd reversal/rev I had worked them both into the same hemisphere , now they switched to BnZ front 1/4 shooting........

one plane flys off no where to be seen, the other I am giving chase as he climbs to safety....jamusta logs on and ask what is going on, as I am typing to him and laughing the 1st P51 that left came back and nailed me......no complaints at this time.

I up again, heading toward the last fight and grabbing alt...then here they come 4 & 5 P51D's most making frontal shots.. as far as teamwork goes, this was quite good at anyone time I had 2 P51s flying at me from either headon or from the side.........I get hit in the oil and lose my hub cannon ( am flying the 109K4 now, I am almost about to land and I go deadstick, motor seizes up....as I am fixing to touch down, had a Pilot Wound btw, as I am on approach, I hear a hauling arse P51D coming.......I am like 2 to 3 sectors away from where I left the group 4 or 5 P51s. Well here is a P51 bearing down on me trying to vylch my deadstick plane as I am about to land......I blackout and crash trying to set down........proxie kill awarded to Warmonger of the Avengers.....

well he was so fast had to be doing 550 mph the rate he was moving. I immediately reupped and before I could grab to 1.5K alt off the field I had 5 damn P51d's engaging me........jamusta comes in and gets 2 of them, but I am already beat back down again.all on a field that this squad was not even trying to take, or cap........heck for over a solid hour before these few little encounters this squad made radar knock out sweeps of every surrounding enemy field with no opposition logged on except the lonely 1 axis player ( me ).
about this time, when I had seen and had enough and been beat down again, one of the Avengers gave a I gave a right back. after all, with the actions they had showed me they truly deserve it.

Next, these guys up a bomber mission and fly around the radar circles as if they was in a FSO or in a life or death SCENARIO....and go bomb field 37........

I do not see why they want to bring "fly alone , pork radar so they are hidden, bomb undefended fields, take undefended fields, and slap each other on the back" type game play to the AvsA.......

and they do not show any respect toward how the players who have been here , who even sides until enough are on that they can THEN do their missions, come in here and say they are one of the best, if not the best WB squad. From what I saw tonight, it is no wonder why others had left WB for AH before them, and is no wonder they fly like this. if WB has noone left, then these guys have been milkrunning without opposition over there, or it might be the other shoe fitting here, and the WB crowd got tired of the BS antics and ran this squad off........

Now, Avengers we always welcome new blood, but you should respect the players who have been here far longer than any of you, and if you want to play in this Arena either play with in the paremiters of how we do things, and also enjoy your missions when the numbers fair it, but also be honorable and even out sides when the roster shows 9 allied vs 1 or 2 axis...........

you need to think hard about what you want to do, and either step up or step off!

I hate to say it (well not really lol), but I TOLD YOU!!:lol

This is worse than the MA

raptor33 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 13, 2007, 10:14:44 AM »

Hmmm....Maybe you missed my point. Children usually have one track minds, so I guess that ius why you can not see the forest through the trees. I dont give a rats butt about your respect Humble.
When we are offered sound advice we give it a shot....as we did last night. But, alas, this did not please you Humble. Maybe if it were your advice you would have appreciated the attempt on our part to follow it. That, my son, is why you seem to be a child. Stop holding your breath.....we will not give in to you. Off to bed with no dinner Humble.
Hah....We lost respect of others as well? So they logged off? Wow.....take your ball and go home. Childish as well.
Glad to see Avengers have such an impact on your lives.
Oh yeah......as for trash talking.....lol....re-read your posts....some may view that as trash talking.....but you are right...it is not trash talking....it is an inept attempt to criticze in a falsely mature way......which certainly comes across as trash talking.
Go spend some time in the mains Humble. I fear you will be surprised. Saturday morning I was aksed if I wer new and I said yes, but been flying in the AvA.....gotta love the responses on 200. You may have scores Humble.....but many refer to you as an......well, you get the point....actually, you probably never will get the point. I said stop holding your breath little boy......we will not give in.