1984... no wait 2007... (yoohoo lazs)

[VonMessa]

Originally posted by storch





I don't know how you have a free and open society without each individual being responsible for their personal behavior as well as their personal safety.  the minute you expect the government to provide for your security you also relinquish your freedom.

Storch, I wholeheartedly agree with this statement more than any other I've seen on this forum.  I Philly, we can't even count on the "security" provided by the government.  In the last month alone, we have had 3 police officers shot and killed ( I believe we finally caught the first one down in your neck of the woods), and just last night, suspects in a getaway car from an armed robbery tried to run over another pair of cops.  

And the bleeding hearts want my weapons?  Again I say, from my cold dead hand, they may take it.

[-tronski-]

Luckily he wasn't Brazilian...they usually get a bullet in the head straight away

 Tronsky

[storch]

Originally posted by -tronski-
Luckily he wasn't Brazilian...they usually get a bullet in the head straight away

 Tronsky

I've lived in brasil and I can promise you that if you have the wherewithall you can shoot people all day long for sport and just pay for the tag.

[storch]

not just in philly but anywhere.  even in the most closed of societies policework by it's very nature is reactive.

there is no way anyone can tell what an individual's intent may be until it is too late therefore we are either proactive in our personal security or potential victims.

[Jackal1]

.  the minute you expect the government to provide for your security you also relinquish your freedom. [/B]

[lazs2]

boroda... I read 1984 and to me it seemed the reverse of America, ayn rand and individualism but seemed the very embodiment of radical socialism.  

did you ever do a search for jack london and his home in glenn ellen?

lazs

[Yknurd]

Originally posted by Boroda
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Just come and ask "Anything wrong here, comrade?"

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Do you really say "comrade"?

I thought they only said that in the movies.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Yknurd
Do you really say "comrade"?

I thought they only said that in the movies.

Asking a Militia warrior it's common to say "comrade sergeant" (tovarisch serzhant), depends on a rank.

In the Armed Forces "tovarisch" (comrade) is still an official form of address.

In Russian we don't have anything like "sir", we can say "gospodin" (mister, or, closer - "master"), but it sounds quite comic, plus I don't want to call anyone my "master". Saying "grazhdanin" (citizen) is sometimes used between like convinced criminals and law-enforcement, they are not comrades so I'll not use this word asking a Militia man

[Boroda]

Originally posted by lazs2
boroda... I read 1984 and to me it seemed the reverse of America, ayn rand and individualism but seemed the very embodiment of radical socialism.

 

Strange, but USSR was moving towards liberalisation and more individual rights, while West moved in opposite direction... We have met around 1990 I think

I have read some opinions on Ayn Rand from people who can't be called "commies" or even "socialists", and her ideas sound inhuman to me, sorry.

Originally posted by lazs2
did you ever do a search for jack london and his home in glenn ellen?

I don't think I have read his biography, it wasn't mentioned widely in the media, like many other things, I think that there was no problem finding any info about him. Will look at the biographical article in my 8-volume collection tonight.

Frankly speaking - Jack London's bio isn't inside my circle of interests right now.

[moot]

Why don't you read some of her writings instead of taking hearsay for granted?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by moot
Why don't you read some of her writings instead of taking hearsay for granted?

Some 1000 pages novel? No thanks. I'll stick with "Ayn Rand for dummies".

Just checked online book-stores, Russian hard cover edition of "Atlant" in 3 volumes is sold for /*drumroll!!!*/ 10600rr (over $400US) a volume!!!

I find it ****ing awesome. An essence of capitalism. Awesome.

[lazs2]

boroda.. you don't have to read her novels to read her writings... there are websites that reproduce her writings on a variety of subjects... she was the most humanistic person I can think of.. She felt that the individuals freedom was all important..  as do I.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/r/rand.htm

here is a simple place to start...easy reading.  any search will uncover much more without ever touching one of her novels of fiction.

lazs

[Boroda]

Lasz, I just found what we have available in Russian in printed form. I'll try to look for electronic versions of her writings, there must be some, she is an icon for our brain-dead liberals, so they should be on the net.

[lazs2]

boroda...  I am not sure what you mean.   you are on this board and you speak and read almost flawless english..  

Can't you just follow the links that I have given?    in this case.. all it does is take you to sites that quote some of ayn's works of non fiction.

If your research into your sources is as incomplete as the horrible jack london stuff..  

Well... I would say that you are a willing victim of censorship and propoganda.

can you not go to the sites linked?  

lazs

[Furball]

The searches are because of this, and i guess to try and have a visible deterrent to would be suicide bombers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings

Maybe if people were blowing themselves up on your trains and buses you would have something similar, Vulcan & Thrawn?

Why not bring up some of the security practices in Israel?

The regularity of these things is usually linked to the current security threat level.  They do searches entering some buildings too when the threat level is high.