Bonds indicted

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by trax1
No, it's not a waste of time or tax dollars, steroid use in sports is a problem.  Todays youth see their favorite athlete using steroids so they feel that they need to use them too if they wanna make it to the big leagues.  Alot of young athletes here in America die every year from steroid use, I think stopping it's use and prosecuting those that use them is worth the time & tax dollars.  Maybe people seeing someone like Bonds going to jail because of his steroid use will prevent someone else from ever trying them, and it's not like America is gonna go bankrupt or need to raise your taxes because of it.

Well said Trax

[Chairboy]

A lot of young students die in auto accidents too, maybe we should indict the chairman of Ford, Mario Andretti, and Evil Knievel while we're at it.

Is the concept of Personal Responsibility merely a historical curiosity at this point?  Does it have any bearing on modern life?  Or are y'all comfortable operating as card carrying members of the blame generation?

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Sixpence
Don't let your hatred get in the way of your common sense

Nobody likes bonds, so what. He is not a threat to society, and he is not a threat to your children

It's a waste of money and resources, and alot of it

So the fact that he lied to a grand jury means nothing to you?

You HAVE to prosecute, otherwise everyone who lies to a grand jury is going to have an argument against being convicted of the same.  I hope you see this.

[Chairboy]

A note, it's an indictment, not a conviction.  They're saying he lied, but haven't presented the evidence for why they think he did yet.  I plan to keep my torch unlit and my pitchfork stowed until the evidence compels.

Something better than "Well...  well, just LOOK at him, he HAS to be juicing!" if you don't mind.

[trax1]

Originally posted by Chairboy
A note, it's an indictment, not a conviction.  They're saying he lied, but haven't presented the evidence for why they think he did yet.  I plan to keep my torch unlit and my pitchfork stowed until the evidence compels.

Something better than "Well...  well, just LOOK at him, he HAS to be juicing!" if you don't mind.

There is more then just people saying he looks like he was juicing, he was juicing, thats actually not being contested here, what he lied about to the grand jury was saying that he didn't know what his trainer gave to him was steroids.  He claims that his trainer told him it was just flaxseed oil & a pain re-leaving ointment, when in fact it was the designer steroid THG.  I mean come on, do you actually think that his trainer would be giving him steroids and not tell him?  I find that very hard to believe.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Hatred has nothing at all to do with it. You are seriously deluded. I played ball 30 years ago in high school. It was a problem then. I coached ten years ago. It was a problem then. Bonds himself means NOTHING. About the man himself, I care nothing. But the use of steroids IS a threat. And it DOES effect the youth. To deny it is to be deluded. To ignore it is stupid.

But he's not being punished for using steroids.  And for that reason, I cannot support this.  It's just another case of "Fishing for Perjury."

[BigGun]

Now when did MLB ban use of steriods & begin testing? The problem is with MLB, not any of the individuals. They ignored the problem for decades & didn't do testing to fill up seats & now they are looking for a scapegoat. The problem lies at the top of MLB, the owners & the commish.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
So the fact that he lied to a grand jury means nothing to you?

You HAVE to prosecute, otherwise everyone who lies to a grand jury is going to have an argument against being convicted of the same.  I hope you see this.

The fact that he lied to a grand jury has not been established.  He is only accused of lieing to a grand jury.

He did it, but that is only a suspision.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Sixpence
Don't let your hatred get in the way of your common sense

Nobody likes bonds, so what. He is not a threat to society, and he is not a threat to your children

It's a waste of money and resources, and alot of it

The feds never like getting lied to and they absolutely will not tolerate an atmosphere where there is even a hint of tolerance.
If there is evidence of Bonds lying, he'll be set up as an example. Jail time.
Proving his lying isn't an open and shut case though as he'd have to be convicted under the 'reasonable doubt' clause. Proving that he knew at the time is going to be tough without testimony of his trainer and friend Greg Anderson.

I'd doubt that Greg would testify against Barry as he just spent over a year in jail when all he'd have to do is give up damning testimony/evidence to the feds to earn his release.

Now if there are other athletes that have had discussions with Bonds about the performance enhancing drugs and they come forward to testify, then Bonds is going to spend some serious time. With his conviction, I'm sure his HR record will be wiped.
In the same token, Mark McGwire's HR record will probably be wiped as well.

[Tiger]

Originally posted by BigGun
Now when did MLB ban use of steriods & begin testing? The problem is with MLB, not any of the individuals. They ignored the problem for decades & didn't do testing to fill up seats & now they are looking for a scapegoat. The problem lies at the top of MLB, the owners & the commish.

Yes cause we all know that MLB is paying a nice hefty bonus to teh Justice Department to get Bonds AFTER he gets all the records.

[RedTop]

Let em all juice it up. Make testing for high school and college mandatory and give any college the death penalty if one student is caught. No Bowls , no scholarships for 5 years. In every sport.

Pro sports? Juice it up and put *'s by every recored broken....and when they all die at an early age.....ahhh well. No compensation for any player if he juices or his family. No retirment pension type stuff from the league he may have played in be it MLB , NBA , NFL , NHL ....anything.

1 positive test means you forfiet any and all compensation up on retirment from the game.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
So the fact that he lied to a grand jury means nothing to you?

You HAVE to prosecute, otherwise everyone who lies to a grand jury is going to have an argument against being convicted of the same.  I hope you see this.

That I understand, but it shouldn't have gone there to begin with. The save the children crap is bs, there are steroids everywhere.

What, you, I, or our children never watched pro wrestling??

Football players, you think they are not juiced??

Body builders, need I even go there?

Did they bring all the owners and managers in front of a grand jury to ask them if they knew what was going on?

If they did and told the grand jury they didn't, would we be chasing them around?

He was one person playing baseball doing steroids. They are trying to justify all this wasted time and money by making him a scapegoat.

OK, he lied to a grand jury. And you could argue that one lie is the same as another, but he wasn't involved in insider trading, he wasn't a president and member of the bar. What good does it do spending more money on something we do not gain anything from?

He is not a threat to society. He is not a threat to the economy or securities, and he is not a member of the bar or politician. What do we gain?

Just save us some money, say you don't have the evidence to go forward and walk away

[trax1]

Originally posted by Sixpence
He is not a threat to society. He is not a threat to the economy or securities, and he is not a member of the bar or politician. What do we gain?
 

Yeah your right, if a persons not a threat to the economy or securities, and he is not a member of the bar or politician, then we shouldn't be charging them with crimes, just let them do whatever they want, if they want to shot up all the steroids they want we should let them, I mean it's not like kids look up to him as a role model or anything, thats the message we need to send people, as long as you just do steroids and don't hurt anyone then it's ok.  Your right, that does make alot of sense.

[CptTrips]

Originally posted by SaburoS
The feds never like getting lied to and they absolutely will not tolerate an atmosphere where there is even a hint of tolerance.

Unless you are Clinton and are only lying about sex.

Wab

[midnight Target]

Why should McGuire's records be wiped? He admitted using a LEGAL substance. Well legal at the time anyway. Frankly I could care less if a pro wants to juice. I want to see a 700 foot homer.