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Offline doc1kelley

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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2007, 11:15:50 AM »
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I don't see a problem with Squad Ops, unless its the BOPS, they can launch 40+ guys on a mission by them selves. They would be the only ones I'd call a horde.

 


I was wondering just how many post it would take to make it a an anti-BOP post.  You could only possibly see that once a week and I've seen hordes against us bish more than that.  I truthfully can't remember when on a squad night that I've seen anymore than 20 BOPS in a mission due to ENY.  Not to mention the spies that are stalking us every monday night to give you advance warning.  Just cause you see a bunch of frigging planes doesn't mean it's us.

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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2007, 12:05:59 PM »
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I don't see a problem with Squad Ops, unless its the BOPS, they can launch 40+ guys on a mission by them selves. They would be the only ones I'd call a horde.


Lmfao!!

Ever seen a GHI mission?

And there are many others who up VERY large missions.

Again--I don,t think I,ve ever seen any more than 25-30 Bops on at a time on a squad nite.

Thats one nite a week.

And 25-30 would be a good nite.

most times its more like 20 guys,one nite a week.

And of course you always get a few guys who come along for the ride who aren't squadies.

So quit pointing fingers unless you know what you're talking about.




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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2007, 12:18:17 PM »
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I don't see a problem with Squad Ops, unless its the BOPS, they can launch 40+ guys on a mission by them selves. They would be the only ones I'd call a horde.


Lmfao!!

Ever seen a GHI mission?

And there are many others who up VERY large missions.

Again--I don,t think I,ve ever seen any more than 25-30 Bops on at a time on a squad nite.

Thats one nite a week.

And 25-30 would be a good nite.

most times its more like 20 guys,one nite a week.

And of course you always get a few guys who come along for the ride who aren't squadies.

So quit pointing fingers unless you know what you're talking about.




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if i can count without taking off my shoes then the Birds of Prey are currently listed as have 91 members spread out over 6 squads.

if your squads aren't currrently in stagnation, shouldn't you be dissappointed that you can't run 40+ mission on your own?

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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2007, 12:25:13 PM »
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I don't see a problem with Squad Ops, unless its the BOPS, they can launch 40+ guys on a mission by them selves. They would be the only ones I'd call a horde.


If you have such a problem with a highly organized group of people taking bases, why don't you organize a group yourself and try to defeat it?

And as for your little analysis of the squad limit: what's to stop 2 squads of 32 from getting together and running missions? (btw, this is exactly what the BoPs do...the individual BoP squads that is)

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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2007, 12:39:49 PM »
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If you have such a problem with a highly organized group of people taking bases, why don't you organize a group yourself and try to defeat it?
This is a total crock of bull, and it irritates me every time I see it.  Basically you're saying a large group of guys on the opposing team has to sit around waiting to see what you guys do, then up en mass to stop you.  They don't get to do what they want, like you do, their gameplay has to be totally dependent upon you.  Sorry, no thanks.

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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2007, 12:59:36 PM »
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How much fun is it to completely destroy a base in one pass, then gang bang and vulch the one or two defenders till the goonS drop their troops?



very, but not as fun as watching 200 after you do it.

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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2007, 01:00:48 PM »
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This is a total crock of bull, and it irritates me every time I see it.  Basically you're saying a large group of guys on the opposing team has to sit around waiting to see what you guys do, then up en mass to stop you.  They don't get to do what they want, like you do, their gameplay has to be totally dependent upon you.  Sorry, no thanks.


LOL :rofl

I said nothing of the sort.

What I did say was that if you have a problem with something, so something about it (once again, if you have a problem with it).

Why would guys on an opposing team have to sit around and wait to see what we do?  Is there nothing else to do?  Are we the only targets?




oh, and where were you Monday night when you wanted to "just see what we would do"?  (oh, btw...we attacked defended bases)

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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2007, 01:11:13 PM »
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Ever seen a GHI mission?[/B]


Ghi:  Mission upping 3 minutes
Ghi:  Room for 96 B-26's

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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2007, 01:36:50 PM »
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LOL :rofl


Why would guys on an opposing team have to sit around and wait to see what we do?  Is there nothing else to do?  Are we the only targets?

 



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If you have such a problem with a highly organized group of people taking bases, why don't you organize a group yourself and try to defeat it?


not to answer a question with a question but don't you kinda contradict yourself here?

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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2007, 01:41:23 PM »
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not to answer a question with a question but don't you kinda contradict yourself here?


You left out the part where I said if he had a problem with it.


FYI...one other thing the BoPs do is watch the map and we will be first to up to defeat an attempted NOE attack on an undefended base.

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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2007, 01:42:54 PM »
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You left out the part where I said if he had a problem with it.


FYI...one other thing the BoPs do is watch the map and we will be first to up to defeat an attempted NOE attack on an undefended base.


clearly he does, otherwise he wouldn't call your statement a "crock of bull"


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we aren't addressing the BOPs prowess on base defense, we are addressing the BOPs horde-like attributes.

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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2007, 02:17:38 PM »
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clearly he does, otherwise he wouldn't call your statement a "crock of bull"


*edit  

we aren't addressing the BOPs prowess on base defense, we are addressing the BOPs horde-like attributes.


Ok.

Now, why does he have a problem with it?  Do you know?  

When did the BoPs become their own country?  Is there nobody else to fight on Bish when the BoPs are on?

This is starting to sound the same as the little generals that cry about people being in tank town not helping with winning the war...it's happening but why should it matter to them?  And why should a horde matter to him (or anyone else for that matter) if the entire opposing team is not involved with the horde?  

Whines like this make it sound like the entire Bish country is involved in missions that sneak around bashing undefended bases. :lol

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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2007, 02:18:45 PM »
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I was wondering just how many post it would take to make it a an anti-BOP post.  You could only possibly see that once a week and I've seen hordes against us bish more than that.  I truthfully can't remember when on a squad night that I've seen anymore than 20 BOPS in a mission due to ENY.  Not to mention the spies that are stalking us every monday night to give you advance warning.  Just cause you see a bunch of frigging planes doesn't mean it's us.

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First off my post was NOT directed at the BOPs, I used them as an example because they are a large squad, and commonly get those kind of numbers on a squad night ( don't say you don't because I have flown against them many times)

This part I am directing towards the BOPs. its the attitude those few of you that come in here and cry and whine about "their bad mouthing the BOPs again" is one of the problems in this game.

Having the mentality to believe that having your two, or three squads of guys completely destroy a base in one pass, is first fun, and second defendable against is just ridiculous. Its up to your squad, and GHI's "missions" to help make the game fun for everyone.

To me, having that many pilots at my disposal would spawn great plans of attack, fighter sweep, base captures at two, three bases at once, bases captures on BOTH fronts at once. Think of the challages, the timings, the fun!!

Instead you load up 30-40 guys, bomb a base into oblivion, and race your squad mates gang the few guys that try to defend, sad really.

The whole "community" is falling into this.... what would you call it, "poor gamesmenship"? In the old days when you saw two guys fighting it out, you asked if they wanted help. Today you have 5 guys diving "to save a countrymen". In the old days squads fought each other, now they runaway, and look for the easy base to grab.

Its all up to the community to fix this. It starts with squads laying down some rules, like as your squad is running its mission, they get over the base, and only a few guy up to defend. Its up to the CO to call out to "Red Flight" leader and have him and the other 3 planes in his wing to deal with it, and have the rest stand by. Its up to individuals to use their heads and say, "ok they have him covered. I circle here" or "I'll head NE because the next closest support base is that way"

In stead of causing grief with your tactics and just getting people so frustrated they log off, use your tactics to make the game fun, and challanging. Sure those too insecure in there skills, or too selfish to share in the fun win continue to whine and complain about any one putting forth an idea on how to make the game more fun.

In stead it will either stay stagnet, or get worst. 6 months down the road the BOP's will have a bunch of guys "retire"because they aren't having fun steam rolling undefended base, and new squad well take over, maybe they will call themselves "the SteamRollers", at least they will be honest about what they are about.

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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2007, 02:56:49 PM »
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Its up to individuals to use their heads and say, "ok they have him covered. I circle here" or "I'll head NE because the next closest support base is that way"


Wow, you know what?  This is exactly what happens on our squad nights.

Why everyone assumes that we just steamroll is beyond me.

You guys have not a clue.  All you see is what you want to see.  And that is that we ONLY steamroll bases on squad night.

So be it.  Live with your delusions or ignore them.

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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2007, 03:20:30 PM »
Well this went to he77 in a handbag.

In discussion terms....IMHO,  those who like big squads can do well on a big map. Those who don't might prefer a small map. Middle ground is impossible to find if we don't discuss our ideas. If we just blatantly go to the dogs by attacking eachother things will just get stagnant.

Hitech has a good thing going here and I'd like to stay a part of it. I can only imagine how tough they have it keeping things on a even keel. They do a great job keeping a finger on the pulse of this game and they react to suggestions very quickly without just flipping back and forth.

In any case if there was always a choice of Large Terrain or Small Terrain one could make that decision on their own. Lusche brought up immediately after my post that the other room had a small map up.... like an idiot I had just assumed both were still large maps.

Had I saw that prior to posting I might never had started this thread.
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