Questions ll, "shooting long"

[Rich46yo]

1, How long do you usually start shooting a con from? How far from bombers do you start shooting?

2, Whats the longest you ever shot a con from? And killed it? How about bombers?

3, What airplane/gun package is best suited to making long distance kills?

4, What bomber is best suited for shooting long distance?

                      Ive seen people start shooting at 2,000 to 3,000 yrds away and wondered "what in the heck are they doing"? And not just one spray but continuous shooting. Is this some kind of game lag or just a noob?

                    And then Ive seen some that wont shoot until 400 yrds out. As a general rule fighters dont get that close to me. Not if I can help it. I want them down or breaking off between 600 to 800 away, most of all a heavy cannon fighter.

                  But a lot depends on their angle of attack. Certain angles I'll let them get closer cause they aint in position to shoot yet. I dont want a fighter to see 400 yrds away. If they do then that means I failed. And it does still happen.

                I'd like to hear some opinions about fighters that are more dangerous shooting long then others. Im trying to gather every edge I can.

                                       Thank you.

[Redlegs]

1. depends on gun package

2. 1.5k with p47 (H2H, lancs)

3. P47 with 8 guns and 425 rpg

4. Prolly B17

[SteveBailey]

As a 51 guy, I don't start pulling the trigger til  600.  There's not a lot of point in shooting prior as it's too far out of convergence and much energy is lost. This works well for me.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
1, How long do you usually start shooting a con from?   How far from bombers do you start shooting? usually 600 against bombers, 400 against fighters

2, Whats the longest you ever shot a con from? And killed it? How about bombers?1000 several times with .50 cals.  Hard to say with bombrs as you're usually closing pertty fast.  The furthest I've started firing was 800.


3, What airplane/gun package is best suited to making long distance kills?American .50 cals.  The more the better.


4, What bomber is best suited for shooting long distance?Guessing the B-17 or B-24 with the .50's.


                      Ive seen people start shooting at 2,000 to 3,000 yrds away and wondered "what in the heck are they doing"? And not just one spray but continuous shooting. Is this some kind of game lag or just a noob?Noob


                    And then Ive seen some that wont shoot until 400 yrds out. As a general rule fighters dont get that close to me. Not if I can help it. I want them down or breaking off between 600 to 800 away, most of all a heavy cannon fighter.

                  But a lot depends on their angle of attack. Certain angles I'll let them get closer cause they aint in position to shoot yet. I dont want a fighter to see 400 yrds away. If they do then that means I failed. And it does still happen.

                I'd like to hear some opinions about fighters that are more dangerous shooting long then others. Im trying to gather every edge I can.

                                       Thank you.

[clerick]

3. Anything with center line machine guns. P-38 Mossie, the hispano's do well out there too.

[Spikes]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
1, How long do you usually start shooting a con from? How far from bombers do you start shooting?

2, Whats the longest you ever shot a con from? And killed it? How about bombers?

3, What airplane/gun package is best suited to making long distance kills?

4, What bomber is best suited for shooting long distance?

As a buff dweeb myself:

1: 800-600
1 1/2: Usually 600
2: I shot a Spit16's wing off from 1.5K in a Ki-67 w/20mm
3: 110 IMHO, aim high because the rounds sink - FAST
4: 17s/24s tied.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by clerick
3. Anything with center line machine guns. P-38 Mossie, the hispano's do well out there too.

                    Will the 20mm Hispanos reach as far as the .50s? Is the drop about the same?

                  The only real cannon available to bomber sticks is the top 20mm on the KI-67. While I have killed from 1,000 away with it it just doesnt have the volume of fire, or the ammo amount, of the .50s.

                 With 0.50s I have killed from 1,200 out once. I splattered a guy with a cockpit shot who was high and on my "3". But that isnt a long shot I can make with any consistancy and normally I'll just snipe at someone high and on my 3 or 9 just to try and drive him down.

[Hien]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
1, How long do you usually start shooting a con from? How far from bombers do you start shooting?

2, Whats the longest you ever shot a con from? And killed it? How about bombers?

3, What airplane/gun package is best suited to making long distance kills?

4, What bomber is best suited for shooting long distance?

1. (Yak-9U):  200.  200 is usually the only distance I'll pull the trigger from (against Fighters.)  Cause you're filling my gunsight, and I can't miss. (My precious ammo... My pre- okay enough of that.)
For Bombers, around 800.  But only if I'm closing fast.  Otherwise I won't shoot, at all.

1. (D3A): If you're in my sights, and within 600 I am firing at you.  Not that it matters a whole lot, most of the time.
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2. (Yak-9U):  800, with the 50s.  To scare them into turning, of course.  For the 20mm, never farther than 400.  I don't like wasting ammo in the Yak.  Makes me feel filthy.  Killed?  Probably about 500 or so.  

2. (D3A): Tracking shot on a turning La7 from about 500 out.  Yeah, you can't outturn the D3A, just walk away.  No, really, I don't min- Oh god, there went your elevator. *facepalms*

3. I have to agree with anything with cowl mounted guns.  Convergence is something I don't like having to deal with.  To me it just complicates an already complicated process.

4.  If you're a good shot with it, I would be more afraid of a Ki-67s 20mm than the seven hundred billion 50cals on a B-17.  But only if Ki guy is a good shot.  Otherwise B-17/B-24 would probably be the best.

[Spikes]

Originally posted by Hien

2. (D3A): Tracking shot on a turning La7 from about 500 out.  Yeah, you can't outturn the D3A, just walk away.  No, really, I don't min- Oh god, there went your elevator. *facepalms*

AMEN!

I love flying the D3A.

[MotorOil1]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
1, How long do you usually start shooting a con from? How far from bombers do you start shooting?

2, Whats the longest you ever shot a con from? And killed it? How about bombers?

3, What airplane/gun package is best suited to making long distance kills?

4, What bomber is best suited for shooting long distance?

 

1.  Fighters - 400 Bombers - 600 or closer depending on what I'm in and what angle I'm attacking from.

2.  D1.2 - while in a 262 - scored a ping on a 110, cut the tail off - was a frustration shot as I was pulling out of 90 degree vertical dive, realised I was going to have way too much speed before being able to get to a preferred shooting distance.  Bombers, gotten kills 1k out.

3.  Anything with 50 cals.

4.  Anything with 50 cals and a tail gun position.

[Tac]

in AH2 I shoot from d600 if I have 50 cals, otherwise I wait for d200.

In AH1 I think I hold the record for not only the longest range single-bullet fired kill, but also the distinction of it being a 30mm round (horrible long range ballistics), fired from an Me262 ... and killing another Me262. I think the range was d1.3.

[clerick]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Will the 20mm Hispanos reach as far as the .50s? Is the drop about the same?

No, but set your convergence right and they get close.  I was cimbing with an F4-U in the DA last week and when i was 1.2 out i gave him two good bursts and took his rear off.

[Saxman]

1, How long do you usually start shooting a con from? How far from bombers do you start shooting?

Against fighters I try to hold fire until 200yds. .50cal with point convergence at that range are BUZZSAWS.

Against bombers depends on approach angle. If I've got a good vertical drop I'll wait until about 400-600 (B-24s light on fire very nicely at that distance and angle). Nose-on about 800.

2, Whats the longest you ever shot a con from? And killed it? How about bombers?

Took the wing off a 190 in an F4U-1C from 600yds out a couple weeks ago, but I seldom fire at that distance unless I'm trying to pepper enough hits to make the target to break so I can close

3, What airplane/gun package is best suited to making long distance kills?

IMO anything with Hispanos. US .50cal have good ballistics at all ranges, but power drops off outside 400yds

4, What bomber is best suited for shooting long distance?

Sniping M16s and auto-ack from 1500yds in the B-25H

[Rich46yo]

I think Ive become rather well know for shooting long out of bombers. I aint going to brag about being an expert shot from those distances cause I'm not. My intent is to throw a monkey wrench into an enemies attack plan. I did it a few times tonight. Against LaLas as a matter of fact in both KI-67s and B-26s.

                     I have ways of beating a belly attack in both airplanes. The problem with the LaLa however is, and its not only a great climber, but when its coming up silhouetted by the ground, all you see is the red around its engine cowl. Its not a big aircraft in the first place and its just murder trying to see it against the ground.

                  I just had a few good encounters with them. I kept them off me, hit them pretty hard at 600 to 800 yrds away, and the one that got inside I had him dead on and as soon as he leveled I just blew him up.

                Typically, for a bomber stick, the LA-7 is a good reason to hone your long range shooting skills. That Yak-9T too. The one with the big gun? I dont want it any nears close to my bombers.

[Latrobe]

I don't shoot on a fighter until I am 400-200 out, and I only make a short burst (unless I'm using 303's, then I let off a longer burst). In a prolonged fight I'll start shooting at 600 and 800 but only when they are flying near straight, and still with a short burst. Against bombers, it would depend on the situation and what plane I'm flying. If i'm diving in on bombers with 50cals I'll start shooting at around 800, but if I can some cannons with me I'd shoot at 600-near 400 (again with short bursts). If im co-alt or below the bombers I'll shoot at 1000-800 with 50cals and a little closer with cannons.

The longest I've ever shot and killed a con is 1.0K out, but it took a long time and alot of ammo. Don't shoot anything that far out unless you want them to turn or if they are heavily damadged.

best gun package for long range shooting would have to be 8 50cals from that big beautiful jug . 190A-8 has some big gun packages too though, along with the 110.

I think all bombers gunners converge at 600, but I'd say the B24 or B17 is better for long range shooting with all those 50cals