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Offline wrag

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« Reply #810 on: January 08, 2008, 12:15:25 PM »
Arlo SEEMS happiest when insulting people.

IMHO it's not worth the effort to discuss anything with him because he's not interested in discussion just insulting.

Guess it give him some kinda boost.

IMHO It's really sad when someone SEEMS to NEED such a boost.

BOOST YOURSELF Arlo I know you need it.
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #811 on: January 08, 2008, 12:17:22 PM »
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"Final bellweathers" tend not to be phrased in such a stilted manner. Let me give it some thought. :D


You go ahead and think but also think about this.........

who cares?
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #812 on: January 08, 2008, 01:02:54 PM »
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If you have, then you don't understand it and I can't help you in that event.


Oh Boy! am I missing out! Go help your self some  :rofl :aok

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« Reply #813 on: January 08, 2008, 02:13:53 PM »
The judges know about the USA today poll..  they know about past polls..

no matter what..   when 98% of the people think it is an individual right... the SC will not go against that.. no matter how many powerful democrats and liberal lawyers want them to.

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« Reply #814 on: January 08, 2008, 02:17:34 PM »
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I am SO easy!

:D


Fixed. ;)

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« Reply #815 on: January 08, 2008, 02:19:23 PM »
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Originally posted by wrag
Arlo SEEMS happiest when insulting people.

IMHO it's not worth the effort to discuss anything with him because he's not interested in discussion just insulting.

Guess it give him some kinda boost.

IMHO It's really sad when someone SEEMS to NEED such a boost.

BOOST YOURSELF Arlo I know you need it.


Apparently not as much as you're needing with all this passive aggressiveness, sweetheart. :D

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« Reply #816 on: January 08, 2008, 02:20:58 PM »
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You go ahead and think but also think about this.........

who cares?


You do. And you know it. ;)

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« Reply #817 on: January 08, 2008, 03:13:46 PM »
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So then after all of these pages of ego jousting, is this case the final bell weather in the ultimate argument:

Do We the People have protected inalliable rights per the constitution vs. The governments of the United States including federal,  have evolved to the condition that their own interests superced the constitutions express limitations to their evolved "rights by power to control" their subjects in the name of thier own "Entity called GOVERNMENT or Stateism"?

If this case does not rule for an individual right, then it sets formal public precedence which will be trumpeted by the media that the U.S. constitution has finally been found fluid and of no material protection to We the People and our rights of self determination and individual freedom.

"GOVERNMENT\Stateism",  it's needs and rights will hensforth be the supreme arbitor of We the People's lives. And we know the media will remind us at every turn in the future that the SCOTUS ruled We the People are no longer special and just shut up and toe the line like good ignorant pesants because we were stupid enough to let them and government prove we are too stupid to have individual rights and freedoms via the supreme court.


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

One sentence. A singular statement. It starts by identifying it's subject "a well regulated militia." Did they mean "well regulated" as in "lets all go to the beerstore and gunstore and buy implements of destruction and drink!"?
Somehow seems doubtful.

Does "militia" mean "Jimmy Joe Billy Bob's militia of one?" Not seeing it.

How about "security of a free State?" Some say this means protecting the people from a government obviously bound to turn on them eventually. Seems motivated from fear and paranoia (imo). It certainly couldn't mean protection from invasion. Wait. Yes it can.

Now ... a lot of folk like to focus on just "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, (comma) shall not be infringed" .... like it's a sentence all it's own, the comma's just a mistake and the rest of it doesn't count. That makes it "plain as day" that it's all about what they want it to be about.

Ok .... lets look at the whole sentence again:

"A well regulated Militia (subject of the sentence), being necessary to the security of a free State (reason for it's existance), the right of the people to keep and bear Arms (Yes a right. "The people" is indeed a collective phrase. Once again, the words "individual, person and citizen were in common use and the authors were familiar with them), shall not be infringed (And it isn't. Anyone of sane mind and clean record can keep and bear arms. Go figure.)"

So .... though the subject refered to is "a well regulated militia" and the reason of intent is identified as "the security of a free State" the right to keep and bear arms is not being infringed.

And the correlation being made between the second amendment and the preamble?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

So where in the second does it prohibit the People of the United States (our form of government - of by and for the People) from the regulation (I.E. "well regulated") of the militia .... in order to insure domestic Tranquility?

Handguns, sporting rifles with scopes, shotguns ... they're all still openly available on the market. Once, again, anyone of same mind and clean record can own one. A registered and licensed firearm protects me from criminal and state (ahem) alike just as well as an unregistered and unlicensed one. But it does make it easier to prove in a court of law that weapons I owned were used to commit a crime. Guess that doesn't worry me none. I'm not a criminal.

Some people take things way too far. Timmy McVeigh and Terry Nichols are a couple of examples. Their paranoia, anger and fear of the government "infringing their rights" drove them to terrorism. Timmy rationalized that the lives lost in the OKC bombing were no more or less significant than Iraqi lives. (An interesting statement no matter how you look at it.)

Guess that's why the "clear cut argument" of the second amendment involving more hyperbole and emotion than it really requires comes off as undermining it's own intent in my eyes.

Welp, there ya go. I expect this won't be taken any better than my amused teasing has been. :D
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« Reply #818 on: January 08, 2008, 03:32:57 PM »
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"A well regulated Militia (subject of the sentence), being necessary to the security of a free State (reason for it's existance), the right of the people to keep and bear Arms (Yes a right. "The people" is indeed a collective phrase. Once again, the words "individual, person and citizen were in common use and the authors were familiar with them), shall not be infringed (And it isn't. Anyone of sane mind and clean record can keep and bear arms. Go figure.)"

...and therein lies the rub and the catalyst to the case...in our Nation's capital even the sane of mind and clear of record cannot keep and bear arms.

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« Reply #819 on: January 08, 2008, 03:34:24 PM »
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...and therein lies the rub and the catalyst to the case...in our Nation's capital even the sane of mind and clear of record cannot keep and bear arms.


Then address the local anomoly. Don't attack the Constitution ... learn to use it effectively. :)

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« Reply #820 on: January 08, 2008, 03:38:59 PM »
They are, it just has to work it's way up the food chain, and the SC(R)OTUS is the top of said chain.

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« Reply #821 on: January 08, 2008, 04:07:45 PM »
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They are, it just has to work it's way up the food chain, and the SC(R)OTUS is the top of said chain.


Then that's a seperate case and I think it bears merit. "SCROTUS" ... hehe ... I can't believe how much frustration exists over the third branch. ;)

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« Reply #822 on: January 08, 2008, 04:09:57 PM »
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You do. And you know it. ;)



:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

nope
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #823 on: January 08, 2008, 04:18:04 PM »
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

nope


You sure seem to be wasting a lot of your time "not" self-reaffirming. (ahem) ;)

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« Reply #824 on: January 08, 2008, 04:42:36 PM »
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You sure seem to be wasting a lot of your time "not" self-reaffirming. (ahem) ;)


Nope just leading up to this...............
























































I intend to ignore your post from this point on until you develop some manners.  

And get over yourself.
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.