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« Reply #465 on: December 23, 2007, 11:20:39 AM »
hell... guess it is bing-0-long..  I just never paid that much attention.. I am still trying to figure out how bingalong is somehow disrespectful of bingolong?

neither one makes any sense to me... sorta like bsaddict got mad when I shortened it to BS.   I don't know what your guys handles mean anyway.  they just look like letters strung together to me.

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« Reply #466 on: December 23, 2007, 03:00:07 PM »
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Originally posted by wrag
That would be IMHO extremely correct!  You were not IMHO funny.[1]

Are you guys trained by someone to try your best to be offensive rather then to discuss things?[2]

Wait!  Is it that they don't believe the way you do and that makes you ANGRY?[3]



LOL

[1] Well it breaks my heart because ... afterall ... that's what it was all about. To amuse wrag. I cherish your opinion. You know this, right? ;)

[2]There's only one of me, man. I know I throw a lot your way but it's just me. And I know it seems like I've had more training than you but it's all natural. And I'll dis-cuss anytime you feel up to it. Just get over what you're on about, presently, and jump right in. :D

[3] Has projection been an effective coping tool your entire life? :aok

Truck on, "Mr. Testosterone." (That make ya happier?) :D
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« Reply #467 on: December 23, 2007, 03:01:21 PM »
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Originally posted by Bingolong
Why dont you ask your pal lazzetta? who starts it :)


Whoa. Someone else noticed some one-way rationale. ;)

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« Reply #468 on: December 23, 2007, 03:02:01 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
well..  I started out as as a number guy in air warrior like everyone else in the bad ol dos days.. then warbirds and the changes in how many letters or whatever.. was lazerus when it could be and lazs when it was the four letter thing... have been ever since.    lazs2 here cause the BB burped a long time ago and it was easier.

bingalong is... long and.. it sounded feminine to me in any case so... bingie seemed ok.. shorter and more to the point.

lazs


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« Reply #469 on: December 23, 2007, 03:04:30 PM »
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..  I just never paid that much attention..  


It's a trait most of us have accepted in you for quite some time, Lazs2 (not to be confused with your first account that you forgot the password to).

Heh. ;)

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« Reply #470 on: December 24, 2007, 10:18:22 AM »
I think that you have to pick and choose what is important to pay attention to and what is not.   I don't think cartoon handles are that big a deal.

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« Reply #471 on: December 24, 2007, 10:31:20 AM »
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Originally posted by Bingolong
Yes Lazzie you have been answered too :)  we wll have to just wait and see. I still say the militia is the port hole that the 2nd will get attacked thru.
The only question that has not been answered will be! I do not think as you do and will not.  I see your position thats really about it :).

Athough I think were close on the Indian issue.
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Technically, I'm in a militia (Virginia State Guard)....and WE aren't chartered to have guns at all (lol if it ever became necessary, society would have degenerated into one of any number of Bruce Willis movies:rofl )
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« Reply #472 on: December 24, 2007, 11:22:20 AM »
The Virginia Defense Force (VDF) is the reserve to the Virginia National Guard.  Like the National Guard, VDF is a branch of the Virginia Department of Military Affairs, trains monthly at Virginia National Guard armories, and is under the overall command of Virginia Adjutant General Major General Robert B. Newman, Jr.

Unlike the National Guard, VDF troops are reserved for in-state duty to ensure Virginia is never left without adequate military forces in the event of partial or full mobilization of the Virginia National Guard to federal service.  VDF also performs specific additional missions at the call of the Adjutant General while in reserve status to help meet the increased homeland security needs of the Commonwealth due to the ongoing War on Terror following 9-11.  

VDF personnel do not receive pay for monthly training or annual field exercises, but are paid standard Department of Defense pay grade if called to state active duty. VDF is organized under state law as a light infantry division with three brigades, along with aviation, military police, and signal detachments.    
 
Virginia is one of 23 states and U.S. territories that maintain these federally-authorized military reserve forces.   VDF is actively seeking new personnel for expanded homeland security assignments.  Postings are available statewide for both prior and non-prior service recruits between the ages of 16-64.  For more information see the recruitment section of this website.


Now this is a militia!

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« Reply #473 on: December 24, 2007, 01:36:02 PM »
According to the U.S. Code, THIS is the militia:

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-STATUTE-
      (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
    males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
    313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
    declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
    and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
    National Guard.
      (b) The classes of the militia are -
        (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
      and the Naval Militia; and
        (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
      the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
      Naval Militia.

-SOURCE-


However, you continue to ignore the fact the the militia clause of the 2nd Amendment is a subordinate clause. The right is not granted by the amendment; its existence is assumed. The thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be preserved inviolate for the sake of ensuring a militia.

The right to keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence of a militia. No condition is stated or implied as to the relation of the right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well-regulated militia as a requisite to the security of a free state. The right to keep and bear arms is deemed unconditional by the entire sentence
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« Reply #474 on: December 24, 2007, 02:07:10 PM »
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Originally posted by Toad
According to the U.S. Code, THIS is the militia:



However, you continue to ignore the fact the the militia clause of the 2nd Amendment is a subordinate clause. The right is not granted by the amendment; its existence is assumed. The thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be preserved inviolate for the sake of ensuring a militia.

The right to keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence of a militia. No condition is stated or implied as to the relation of the right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well-regulated militia as a requisite to the security of a free state. The right to keep and bear arms is deemed unconditional by the entire sentence


Repeat preformance here:

The National Defense Act of 1916 is, with the exception of the United States Constitution, the most important piece of legislation in the history of the National Guard. It transformed the militia from individual state forces into a Reserve Component of the U.S. Army - and made the term "National Guard" mandatory. The act stated that all units would have to be federally recognized, and that the qualifications for officers would be set by the War Department. It increased the number of annual training days to 15, increased the number of yearly drills to 48, and authorized pay for drills.

It stated that there would be two National Guards: the National Guard of the several States, and the National Guard of the United States. The former would be the individual State militias, employed in local emergencies and national defense. The latter would be a deployable reserve component of the Army.

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« Reply #475 on: December 24, 2007, 02:21:34 PM »
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It stated that there would be two National Guards: the National Guard of the several States, and the National Guard of the United States. The former would be the individual State militias, employed in local emergencies and national defense. The latter would be a deployable reserve component of the Army.


where does the Army Reserve fit in here?

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« Reply #476 on: December 24, 2007, 02:27:49 PM »
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Repeat preformance here:


 
Indeed it is. You seem determined to ignore the facts offered to you here.

BTW, the quote from US Code (The United States Code is the codification by subject matter of the general and permanent laws of the United States. ) is from the current US Code. It defines the current meaning of the word militia as used in general and permanent laws of the US. Hope that helps you.

As for your misunderstanding of the 2nd Amendment and the subordinate militia clause, I have high hopes that the US Supreme Court will set you right on that one in the near future, although I suspect you would argue with them and tell them they're incorrect if the ruling is for individual right.
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« Reply #477 on: December 24, 2007, 02:32:05 PM »
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where does the Army Reserve fit in here?


The Army Reserve's mission, under Title 10 of the U.S. code, is to provide trained and ready Soldiers and units with the critical combat service support and combat support capabilities necessary to support nation strategy during peacetime, contingencies and war. The Army Reserve is a key element in The Army multi-component unit force, training with Active and National Guard units to ensure all three components work as a fully integrated team.

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« Reply #478 on: December 24, 2007, 02:54:02 PM »
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Indeed it is. You seem determined to ignore the facts offered to you here.

BTW, the quote from US Code (The United States Code is the codification by subject matter of the general and permanent laws of the United States. ) is from the current US Code. It defines the current meaning of the word militia as used in general and permanent laws of the US. Hope that helps you.

As for your misunderstanding of the 2nd Amendment and the subordinate militia clause, I have high hopes that the US Supreme Court will set you right on that one in the near future, although I suspect you would argue with them and tell them they're incorrect if the ruling is for individual right.


Current Law
There is very little controversy about current laws governing the militia. It is generally agreed that all power over the militia is shared between the federal and state governments.

There is no real disagreement that the new militia movement is not authorized by either state or federal law. Members of the new militia have no privileges, rights, duties, or immunities for their action over and above those of other members of society. The only way they can obtain privileges, rights, duties, or immunities would be by laws passed by either the federal or state government. No such laws exist. The new militia are not protected by the militia clauses of the Constitution nor by federal or state law.

Not being protected does not mean forbidden. When these groups do things that don't break any laws, then there is nothing to stop them from doing them. When they do break the laws, there is nothing to protect them.

The only real area of controversy in this entire FAQ is whether or not laws against unauthorized military organization or unauthorized armed parading are constitutional, and if they are constitutional, what behavior constitutes unauthorized military organizations or unauthorized armed parading. These laws were held valid in the nineteenth century by the U.S. Supreme Court and have been held valid by lower courts in the twentieth century.

However, an argument can be made that these laws are unconstitutional or too vague, or that the behavior of the new militia does not violate these laws.


4.6 I suggest you read the United States Code, that provides for the "unorganized" militia, which includes "every able-bodied person between 17 and 45 years of age." We are unorganized by the government, but it does not say we can't organize ourselves. It's still on the books, so it's still legal for us to organize.


A. If there are no laws forbidding such an organization, then you can organize. Remembering that if you want your "unorganized militia"to be true to the definition of those subject/eligible for the militia in 32 USCS 311, you must exclude women from your organized "unorganized militia."

But the result of your organization will not be a militia unit. The result will be a unauthorized voluntary paramilitary organization.

Most states have laws prohibiting or regulating these groups. These laws have been found constitutionally valid whenever tested. The passage of these laws by most states shows some common agreement that these groups are not good.

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« Reply #479 on: December 24, 2007, 03:12:52 PM »
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A fireman would be in grave danger if a home was full of RPG's

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Well maybe he paid a hell of a lot of money for those rpg rockets and he doesn't want them to be corroding outside in the south texas humidity, ever think of that?