Dangerous Encounter P-51B Film

[Vulcan]

LOL gamey dweebs.

What about torque, does blipping the engine instantly negate torque?

I came across a couple of dweebs doing it the other night - score weenies too, one was tx58 (or some sort tx-number) and the other was gsx1000r - dunno which one was doing it but I could hear one of them restarting every now and then, they both died too

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by bnasty
EVERY AIRPLANE in this Game (and in RL) has a little RED KNOB called mixture. You pull on that knob, the engine goes putt putt... Most of you commenting about this "Engine Cutter"  crap don't know this because your cartoon pilot status has your ego so big, that you think you know everything about airplanes right?

we don't fly airplanes in the game, tard.  So someone wishing to comment need not know a thing about airplanes in real life. We manipulate pixels on a monitor via HID's. Turn the motor off in the game and you are instantly without torque... it's a gamey, chickenchit thing to do, cutter.

[BMathis]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
we don't fly airplanes in the game, tard.  So someone wishing to comment need not know a thing about airplanes in real life. We manipulate pixels on a monitor via HID's. Turn the motor off in the game and you are instantly without torque... it's a gamey, chickenchit thing to do, cutter.

Wow, someone is a little pissed. LOL. Sucks you don't know the real joy of flying. Tard, wonderful use of an adjective lol

[Kermit de frog]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
we don't fly airplanes in the game, tard.  So someone wishing to comment need not know a thing about airplanes in real life. We manipulate pixels on a monitor via HID's. Turn the motor off in the game and you are instantly without torque... it's a gamey, chickenchit thing to do, cutter.

So you are saying that engine off and throttle back to idle has a significant difference in torque?

I throttle back all the time to help reduce torque when needed.

BTW, torque was not the issue, until Widewing proved your decelleration theory.  You looking for something to promote your gamey theory gives an unfair advantage or honestly believe this torque difference is an issue?

Edit:  been hell at work, but finally have a slow afternoon before the 4 day weekend...so let's get this discussion going.  

2nd Edit:
engine off during flight has the same effect with different conclusions depending on airspeed.  Torque is more of an issue at slow speeds, but with engine off, you've lost some flap, rudder & elevator control as well as stall speed.

[BMathis]

Originally posted by Vulcan
What about torque, does blipping the engine instantly negate torque?

I belive it does.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog
So you are saying that engine off and throttle back to idle has a significant difference in torque?

I throttle back all the time to help reduce torque when needed.

BTW, torque was not the issue, until Widewing proved your decelleration theory.  You looking for something to promote your gamey theory gives an unfair advantage or honestly believe this torque difference is an issue?

Edit:  been hell at work, but finally have a slow afternoon before the 4 day weekend...so let's get this discussion going.  

I'm losing steam as far as interest goes, to be honest. What decelleration theory?

[Kermit de frog]

Chalenge accused bmathis of turning his engine off to turn tighter.
Bmathis then correct chalenge by telling him he was in a dive and not a turn so chalenge was wrong.

Then you quoted bmathis on his explanation and what you said was

Originally posted by SteveBailey
:

Engine cutter.



Engine cutting ranks among the dweebiest, ghey things you can do.

I assume you used the word "ghey" because that is something you do not like and engine cutting is another issue you do not like so they are similiar to you.

Then you stated the torque issue, which may have been your reason to think it was gamey in the beginning.  I wished you had explaned that before widewings post on the decelleration results.

What do you mean by engine cutting to be gamey?  Do you mean it gives a person an unfair advantage?

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog

What do you mean by engine cutting to be gamey?  

One thing that bothers me is that when you turn the engine back on, it immediately is up to full thrust/torque.  There's no ramp up, no re-start time..... etc.

[Avaro]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
One thing that bothers me is that when you turn the engine back on, it immediately is up to full thrust/torque.  There's no ramp up, no re-start time..... etc.

Acutally I believe if you leave it off long enuff you have to restart It completly.. Not sure though

[Kermit de frog]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
One thing that bothers me is that when you turn the engine back on, it immediately is up to full thrust/torque.  There's no ramp up, no re-start time..... etc.

I had typed up a whole page worth, but deleted it.

I need to know Steve is you think it gives the pilot an unfair advantage?

So far, you don't like the way engines are shutoff/started-up while an airplane is still in flight.  That's all I know so far.


Edit:  Avaro, I think that's the case too whenever you leave the engine off for too long.  (more than ~4 seconds)

[thrila]

Avaro, you may be right.  I'm pretty sure thats happened to me in the hurri 1 when i've pulled neg g's for too long.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog
I had typed up a whole page worth, but deleted it.

I need to know Steve is you think it gives the pilot an unfair advantage?

I don't know that it gives any advantage, other than the instant start up I mentioned. As far as decelleration goes, I always assumed it didn't really have any significant effect.  This was an assumption, not based in fact.

Much like the negative G evasive, then instant nose up, people do in the IL2's, it has no basis of anykind, that I'm aware of, in WWII combat.  Ergo, it shouldn't be used in our simulation.....thus gamey.

I sense that you are lying in wait Kermit, ready to pounce on me with one argument or another.  I don't see the point, really.  i've statedmy opinion on the matter and, based on some posts in this thread, there are others who feel the same.

[crockett]

Who cares if someone turns off their engine, people drop their gears and do all kinda stupid things thinking it will actually help them. You do not ever have to out turn any plane, you only have to turn smarter than it.

IMO if you are going to pick apart the fight, I would have never dropped to the deck in that fight. In most fights the guy whom controls the alt in a fight will be the winner assuming he knows what he's doing.

[Widewing]

I tested the P-51B for torque when at idle and with the engine switched off and windmilling.

Understand that a windmilling prop will produce torque.

I trimmed out for level flight at idle... minor trim changes were required to keep the nose level as speed decreased. I then killed the motor. I saw no change in the altitude of the airplane in yaw or roll. Switched back on (at idle), again no discernible change was noted.

I then pulled into a constant left turn, bringing the aircraft to a buffet. I then chopped throttle to idle and noted the change in handling. I repeated this, but killed the engine with the E key instead. I noticed no difference.

My conclusion is that the difference in torque at idle (prop windmilling) and with the engine switched off (and windmilling) is negligible, if any exists at all.

So, I still don't see how killing the engine gains you any advantage.

My regards,

Widewing

[Avaro]

Originally posted by crockett
Who cares if someone turns off their engine, people drop their gears and do all kinda stupid things thinking it will actually help them. You do not ever have to out turn any plane, you only have to turn smarter than it.

IMO if you are going to pick apart the fight, I would have never dropped to the deck in that fight. In most fights the guy whom controls the alt in a fight will be the winner assuming he knows what he's doing.

Haha, but thats to pwn in a hog... Cut throttle drop the gear... Where's blukitty at? lol