Dangerous Encounter P-51B Film

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Hoffman

Back when I only had my Cyborg Evo, with the throttle attached to the stick, I would have to use my left hand on the keyboard for landing gear, flaps, WEP, etc. etc.
Now in that case, what is more economical, pushing E

 

I use an Evo and I somehow manage

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by bnasty
I apologise to Steve for my response earlier, that was not tasteful, and should not have been posted.

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On a positive note:

Widewing, thank you for your input and hard work. It was very useful and interesting to me, and the community.

Thanks to those who checked out the film. It wasn't the best, but I hope it was entertaining!



Brandon

Brandon, while I appreciate your apology, it was not necessary.  Like ch 200, I expect exchanges that are sometimes heated.  I have a short memory and do not hold grudges... well except for maybe Storch..(J/K storchie)

also, since I give as much as I take, it would be hypocritical of me to take umbrage at something someone said in the context of our discussion.  

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog
I was lying in wait, ready for a discussion if you went in one direction.

Others feeling the same as you?  I sure there are, but why did you say that?  You trying to say if others feel the same way, that it must be true?

No, since it's pretty subjective.  I'm merely saying that my opinion is probably not too far fetched if several others are like minded.


As for the IL2 move.  I think it's gamey in that I do not see how a person could slam his brain against the roof of his cranium, then immediately slam it agaisnt the bottom and have a clear enough head to then pull g's and fire.  I wonder about the capability of the airframe as well but cannot support my doubts w/ any data.

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog
I need to know Steve is you think it gives the pilot an unfair advantage?

What is an advantage, Kermit? It can be and edge over your enemy. But it can also be the lack of a detrimental effect you should experience.

This is the matter with cutting the engine off. It's not the unfair advantage, it's the LACK of the fair DIS-advantage the pilot should experience.

As Murdr stated, the engine starting/shutting down procedure in AH is just one keystroke and it takes no more than, what, 2 seconds? While in RL it would take much more longer and, most important, the pilot could fail in restarting the engine. This is simulated in IL2, not in AH, and this is the thing that I feel it's gamey. The player should pay a price for cutting engine off (and that is a high price in a knife combat), but he doesn't. That's why, when I hear my opponent shutting the engine down, I cut throttle, grin and think "lame".

Mathis, I commented about your RL flying (man I hope I'll fly on a Glasair one day) and not about the 51 sortie. Nice movie, friend, you're on my watchlist at Stage6!

[LEADPIG]

I don't see what the big problem is. You should use whatever you think you need to win. However i don't think this one tactic will help much. Plus number2 ... you just shut your freaking engine off !!!

[Vulcan]

I might add the other gamey tactic I've noticed with engine off'ers is their amazing ability to hear enemy fighters coming up their low 6 blind spot

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Vulcan
I might add the other gamey tactic I've noticed with engine off'ers is their amazing ability to hear enemy fighters coming up their low 6 blind spot

Many just turn down internal engine sounds, so no need for shutting engine off...

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Avaro
Acutally I believe if you leave it off long enuff you have to restart It completly.. Not sure though

When you kill the engines in a '38 its a complete restart. Seems like the 110 and the Mossie are the same.

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by Slash27
When you kill the engines in a '38 its a complete restart. Seems like the 110 and the Mossie are the same.

If you wanna make this game really realistic. Shutting off your engine would go like this.

1. Pull the mixture control to all the way lean.

2. sputter, sputter cough, in a few seconds.

3. Push mixture to full rich

4. push propeller rpm to high rpm

5. no need to prime you've already been flying.

6. turn magneto key to to start.

7. engine hopefully starts, it'll take a little bit to get stabilized.

8. If flying a 38 or 110 repeat twice.


If that's how realistic you want AH go ahead, but by then you've crashed and most surely been shot down by the time you're fumbling with the mixture and rpm control. lol

Happy Thangsgiving... !

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by LEADPIG
If you wanna make this game really realistic. Shutting off your engine would go like this.

1. Pull the mixture control to all the way lean.

2. sputter, sputter cough, in a few seconds.

3. Push mixture to full rich

4. push propeller rpm to high rpm

5. no need to prime you've already been flying.

6. turn magneto key to to start.

7. engine hopefully starts, it'll take a little bit to get stabilized.

8. If flying a 38 or 110 repeat twice.


If that's how realistic you want AH go ahead, but by then you've crashed and most surely been shot down by the time you're fumbling with the mixture and rpm control. lol

Happy Thangsgiving... !

That about covers it.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by ded
Why?  So you can call them names?

 

Nah, like I already said..  you are full of BS.  I gave the opportunity to back your statement up with some real evidence and you reverted to Jr. high tactics, as was expected since.... you are full of BS.

[SteveBailey]

I guess you could name doolittle but you'd really be lowering your standards as to what you consider a vet.  I'm talking the slime on the bottom of the barrel.  He cuts his engine.  If you want to count nadless eunichs w/ no skills beyond gamey engine cutting, you could consider Doolittle.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Lusche
Many just turn down internal engine sounds, so no need for shutting engine off...

Thats what I mean, if you find em trying one gamey trick, then its not unusual to find them trying other gamey tricks.

[Geaux]

This is why I have really quit reading this board all that much.  I am quite disapointed by some of the so-called senior membres that are acting like complete noobs here.  Then again I expect drivel to spew from some of your mouths likr the internet tough guys that you are.  

I make plenty of films but rarely post them due to morons that like to play Monday morning quarterback.  If you have a problem with someone cutting throttle then you have the "skill" problem not them.  It generally will work against them down the road.  

I am not a RL pilot so someone please tell me the hot start procedures while you are waxing poetic.

By the way Brandon is a squaddie, we have dueled many times.  I haven't seen a poster here that he couldn'y beat/hang with in a 1v1 fight (without cutting throttle).  

Good pilots that have cut throttle on me in a fight....Creton, blukitty a few others that have changed names a gazillion times.  

Let the haters jump on.  I probably won't read the crap anyway.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Thats what I mean, if you find em trying one gamey trick, then its not unusual to find them trying other gamey tricks.

The problem is, there is no consensus what is gamey and what not.

For example I consider shutting off internal sounds so you get some sort of tail-warning radar being extremely gamey - shutting off engine in fight instead of throtteling down I have no problem with. I did it back when I had no HOTAS setup. Just as pointed out earlier, moving hand from keyboard to stick and back during a dogfight was a pain in the a**, and hitting E gave me no unfair advantage in any way. (Unlike being able to hear & locate enemy planes 3 miles away in my blind spot)

Also I personally detest bomb&bailing, but other people argue they don't pay $15 for a boring RTB...