Author Topic: It takes an American to see the greatness of Laetitia Daguenel (Read 1711 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 22, 2007, 10:56:39 AM »

I agree charon.. the norweigns are just a happy little group who are living under the good graces of everyone else. they are incapable of defending themselves and on occasion they simply get occupied and taken over.. there is nothing they can do about it so they should simply enjoy any good periods where bad people ignore them.

since they have a lilly white society with 99% of the population speaking the official language and looking just like everyone else.. they have a right to be smug at how well they are all getting along.

I hope it lasts for them. I imagine it won't.. I know that there won't be a damn thing they can do about it tho except to hope that some of the more violent and vibrant countries like ours come to their rescue so that they can live as they wish.

lazs

Nilsen · « **Reply #31 on:** November 22, 2007, 11:05:21 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
be that as it may... it is what it is. I wouldn't be too smug tho. once your country becomes a little less lilly white you might wish you had thought it out better.

lazs

LOL

Nilsen · « **Reply #32 on:** November 22, 2007, 11:13:16 AM »

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I kinda start to get tired hearing brave men bashed. The French soldiers fought hard in WWI. Read up on Verdun some time. Didn't surrender in that one.

They fought hard in 1940 as well. They were let down by their military and political leaders. Most importantly, the Germans had a new military doctrine that was ahead of that practiced elsewhere, including the US. The French just didn't have the time or geography to learn how totally mechanized warfare had developed. Given how prepared we were for Pearl harbor and even more telling, Tunisia, where we gout our bellybutton totally kicked -- we have little room to talk. Unlike the French we did have the option to learn from our mistakes, and even take combined arms mechanized warfare to the next level in the process.

Napoleon was no slouch either.

The Norwegians... a bit complicated. There were cultural issues and they were occupied and people made choices. A lot also made the choice to have active resistance either on the ground in Norway or serving in the formal military in the UK. Anne Frank was eventually ratted out, but a lot of people risked their lives and their families' lives before that to protect her family. That takes guts that I don't know if I would have.

Then again, the US Nazi Party was notable up until 12-7-41. And, the US and UK both de facto backed the Nazis in Spain during the Civil War. Quite a bit of admiration for Herr Hitler among conservative circles at the time. Wouldn't it be nice if we had our own Hitler... he could sure deal with those unions.

The whole Ugly American thing can really be more than a stereotype.

Charon

Shortly after the war and really up until very recently the "quslings" and those who fought in the SS were really given a hard time and were given the blame for anything and everything.
It was good for the healing process to have them to hate. Now that alot of the feelings have toned down and people and historians have started to look into what happened and why things are starting to change and the SS guys are viewed slightly differently.
It turns out that the vast majority of those who voulenteered for SS duty did so to fight commies and actually were convinced that fighting commies was the most important thing they could do. Some became aware of the horrible things the nazies did and left, some knew but turned a blind eye and im sure some took part. All of them belived they fought for Norway and against communism.

Nilsen · « **Reply #33 on:** November 22, 2007, 11:15:46 AM »

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Don't be a salamander Nilsen.

Oh the things one would get to see up close if one was a salamander

Anywho.. im just talking lazs language.

Viking · « **Reply #34 on:** November 22, 2007, 11:29:07 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
since they have a lilly white society with 99% of the population speaking the official language and looking just like everyone else.. they have a right to be smug at how well they are all getting along.

Actually about 10% of our population are immigrants or descendants of recent immigrants. Mostly Pakistanis, Kurds, Afghans, Iraqis, Iranians, Tamils, and a variety of Africans.

Dago · « **Reply #35 on:** November 22, 2007, 11:35:08 AM »

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Actually about 10% of our population are immigrants or descendants of recent immigrants. Mostly Pakistanis, Kurds, Afghans, Iraqis, Iranians, Tamils, and a variety of Africans.

The beginnings of the upcoming problems you will experience have now taken root. You guys are screwed and don't even know it yet.

They don't want to live in your society as you know it, they will work to change it to their society.

Guaranteed.

Viking · « **Reply #36 on:** November 22, 2007, 11:43:55 AM »

Sure, we know this. However, we are working to change them. It won't work on most of the 1st generation immigrants, but it will work on most of their children. You see Norway has an advantage over the USA in this regard ... here everybody must go to our state schools (elementary and junior high). 10 years of programming. We are already seeing the benefits from this system.

lazs2 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 22, 2007, 12:13:42 PM »

well... tell you what.. when you are as diverse as us for as long as us and....

able to defend yourselves...

then you will be worth listening to.

lazs

Neubob · « **Reply #38 on:** November 22, 2007, 12:21:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Sure, we know this. However, we are working to change them. It won't work on most of the 1st generation immigrants, but it will work on most of their children. You see Norway has an advantage over the USA in this regard ... here everybody must go to our state schools (elementary and junior high). 10 years of programming. We are already seeing the benefits from this system.

Well, at least you've admitted to it being a problem. There're people here that will claim that there is no problem, that culture must be nurtured and respected regardless of the situation and that there is no threat posed here.

I wish you the best of luck with this. No sarcasm.

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 22, 2007, 12:41:10 PM »

As do I... and.. no sarcasm intended here either.

lazs

Viking · « **Reply #40 on:** November 22, 2007, 01:12:02 PM »

Thanks. Yes it is a problem. Hopefully one we can handle. There really are only three alternatives: 1-change them 2-kill them 3-change ourselves. I much prefer option 1 ... option 2 if we have to.

lazs2 · « **Reply #41 on:** November 23, 2007, 10:43:30 AM »

viking.. wouldn't it be prudent in light of the options you laid out... especially number two...

to be armed when in bad neighborhoods? I have no idea if you have such yet but pretty much see it as inevitable.. I will tell you tho that we do have such here. That if you appear weak in some areas here.. you will be assaulted.

There is also some bleed over.. nice malls and such may have these feral thugs roaming around or in the parking lot. An older couple or a woman seeing a group of them way out in the parking lot of the mall goes through some real apprehension.

lazs

Viking · « **Reply #42 on:** November 24, 2007, 06:43:00 PM »

Yes, protecting yourself and your property is a human right in my opinion. Unfortunately this is very restricted here, but if things become much worse (crime wise) then perhaps this will change. As for killing the Muslims I was thinking more of killing those outside our borders ... like in Afghanistan now. Those inside who misbehave will more likely be just locked up.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 24, 2007, 07:56:38 PM »

She seems to be holding that Glock so awkwardly. But hey, it works.

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 25, 2007, 10:15:45 AM »

viking.. the way it works here is.. we have whole cities that are crime ridden pest holes.. we have nice cities near them.. the bad guys realize that it is easier to hit the good areas so long as they are on the freeway..

meaning.. while most people see jewelry stores and fast food and banks/credit unions by the freeway as a convienience.. these guys see it as low hanging fruit in the neighbors yard.. they can hit and be back in scumville in 20 minutes from a variety of roads.

I can drive some of our back roads for an hour without seeing another car much less a cop.

We have even had some drive by shootings and body dumps.

I am just practical.. I have not needed a seat belt to save my life in millions of miles and decades of driving.. I have needed or found useful.. a gun more than a few times.

lazs