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lazs2 · « **Reply #60 on:** November 29, 2007, 08:06:01 AM »

Ya know.. if you read this board then you will think that all the your-0-peeeans are just thrilled that their country takes away their right to protect themselves... that nobody really wants to do it.. that it is better to wander the streets drunk than to maybe be able to defend yourself.

That hiding under the bed during a burglary is an acceptable way to live.. that no your-0-peean country has ever or will ever be taken over by a tyrant. That the lilly white non mixture of people and cultures will last forever... I say... if the booze gets you through it... keep it up but...

at least one on this board...viking.. and a few brits are not in the least happy about having the government tell em what they can do to defend themselves.

When I read gun boards.. there are lots of your-0-peeans that don't sound anything like what you hear here.. the are not in the least happy about it.

lazs

Viking · « **Reply #61 on:** November 29, 2007, 08:50:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
mhm ok..

so when should you be allowed to walk around with one?

From what age?

Only when sober?

When should you be allowed to fire it at someone?

For simplicity lets just say that we apply the same rules as for cars. You have to be sober and have a license that proves you are qualified to operate the weapon. You should be allowed to fire the weapon at someone when you deem it necessary to protect yourself, other people or your property. A court of law will later judge if you were justified in your actions.

Nilsen · « **Reply #62 on:** November 29, 2007, 09:04:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Viking
For simplicity lets just say that we apply the same rules as for cars. You have to be sober and have a license that proves you are qualified to operate the weapon. You should be allowed to fire the weapon at someone when you deem it necessary to protect yourself, other people or your property. A court of law will later judge if you were justified in your actions.

When you allow the population to be armed then you have also raised the bar for the criminal here in this country. They will now also have arm themselves unlike they are now. Id rather surrender my property than risk drawing a weapon at someone who is already pointing one at me. Im not so poor that i cant replace anything i ever walk around with anyway.

Nilsen · « **Reply #63 on:** November 29, 2007, 09:05:16 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Ya know.. if you read this board then you will think that all the your-0-peeeans are just thrilled that their country takes away their right to protect themselves... that nobody really wants to do it.. that it is better to wander the streets drunk than to maybe be able to defend yourself.

That hiding under the bed during a burglary is an acceptable way to live.. that no your-0-peean country has ever or will ever be taken over by a tyrant. That the lilly white non mixture of people and cultures will last forever... I say... if the booze gets you through it... keep it up but...

at least one on this board...viking.. and a few brits are not in the least happy about having the government tell em what they can do to defend themselves.

When I read gun boards.. there are lots of your-0-peeans that don't sound anything like what you hear here.. the are not in the least happy about it.

lazs

Not everyone is as scared or paranoid as you are youknow. Grow a pair

lazs2 · « **Reply #64 on:** November 29, 2007, 09:10:46 AM »

Is that what you tell the women who are being stalked by a drunk ex who has beaten them up in the past and is now telling here he will kill her?

lazs

Nilsen · « **Reply #65 on:** November 29, 2007, 09:11:13 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Is that what you tell the women who are being stalked by a drunk ex who has beaten them up in the past and is now telling here he will kill her?

lazs

who is that?

Viking · « **Reply #66 on:** November 29, 2007, 09:55:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
When you allow the population to be armed then you have also raised the bar for the criminal here in this country. They will now also have arm themselves unlike they are now. Id rather surrender my property than risk drawing a weapon at someone who is already pointing one at me. Im not so poor that i cant replace anything i ever walk around with anyway.

The criminals in this country are armed, or haven't you been following the news?

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2007/09/25/513148.html

If you don't want to defend yourself that is your choice to make. Please allow me to make mine.

Nilsen · « **Reply #67 on:** November 29, 2007, 10:03:15 AM »

Yeah and who do they use em on?

Other gangs and maybe a bankrobbery. Havent you followed the news?

Again... defend myself against who?

Viking · « **Reply #68 on:** November 29, 2007, 10:13:45 AM »

Against who? You can't seriously be arguing that there is no violent crime in Norway?

In any case it is besides the point. Not needing something is not a good reason for having a law against it. As I said before, you are free to be unarmed if you so choose. Why should I not have the freedom to choose to be armed?

Nilsen · « **Reply #69 on:** November 29, 2007, 10:39:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Against who? You can't seriously be arguing that there is no violent crime in Norway?

In any case it is besides the point. Not needing something is not a good reason for having a law against it. As I said before, you are free to be unarmed if you so choose. Why should I not have the freedom to choose to be armed?

I have never seen or heard of anyone beeing threatended with a gun on the streets. Not even when i lived in Oslo. The odd story on the news perhaps, but nothing that arming the population would help with. It would be a massive overkill and create more problems than it would solve.

Again.. if someone has a gun pointed at you I bet you would be the first one hurt if you started grabbing for your own if the guy on the other end had intended to use it in the first place.

Viking · « **Reply #70 on:** November 29, 2007, 10:41:56 AM »

It's a simple question Nilsen, no need to evade it.

Why should I not have the freedom to choose to be armed?

Nilsen · « **Reply #71 on:** November 29, 2007, 11:04:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Viking
It's a simple question Nilsen, no need to evade it.

Why should I not have the freedom to choose to be armed?

Because we live in a civlized society were you can not take every "freedom" you see fit.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #72 on:** November 29, 2007, 11:12:14 AM »

Euro FIGHT!!!

I am with Viking on this one Nils, you are the one that comes off fearing your fellow citizen.

Viking · « **Reply #73 on:** November 29, 2007, 11:15:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Because we live in a civlized society were you can not take every "freedom" you see fit.

Yes we do live in a civilized society. We are civilized people. There is very little crime.

So why can't I carry a gun? What possible harm could that do?

lazs2 · « **Reply #74 on:** November 29, 2007, 02:43:53 PM »

yep... I have never understood the reasoning of the your-0-peeans like nelson who say how much more civilized they are than us but then say that their people can't be trusted with firearms because it will allow them to go ferral.

Is it just that the firearms have some magic hold that turns men into savages?

If that is true.. how can we allow our military and police to wander around with the most dangerous arms available? what stops the bodyguards of the rich and famous and political from just whipping out a gun and mowing down nelson and company?

Is the magic not working on them and if so... why not? does a uniform of mirrored sunglasses make them immune?

lazs