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Offline Thing

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Using rudders to turn
« on: November 26, 2007, 02:31:29 AM »
Hi everyone

Could someone explain the proper way of using your rudders to turn your plane.  I feel I am still using too much aileron and blowing alot of e when I try turn my aircraft.  I understand the mechanics of rudders but I know I am using way too much stick.


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Offline Balsy

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Using rudders to turn
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 07:53:14 AM »
To keep the airplane properly trimmed in the turn, you need  to keep the ball centered.. .apply as much rudder to keep the ball centered, and you will be conserving the most E in the turn.

Obviously that may or may  not be your intent based upon the situation your in.. but its a good rule of thumb.

Offline Spatula

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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 02:34:16 PM »
Also, kicking the rudder in the direction of your aileron roll, will help it roll faster. So stick left, and a bit of rudder left to help it roll over faster. Very useful in scissors :)
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Offline Saxman

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Using rudders to turn
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2007, 03:33:06 PM »
The thing about rudder is airspeed. Generally, rudder authority tends to be poor in most aircraft until you're slow. Very few aircraft (the F4U being the most notworthy) have a rudder that's effective at high speeds.

Also, some aircraft react...violently to too much rudder and elevator deflection simultaneously. It's important to learn just how much rudder you can give before the plane snaps over. However the resulting snaproll has its own uses....
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Offline mtnman

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2007, 04:00:50 PM »
It's important to realize that using too much rudder will bleed E very fast as well.  You mention being worried about over-using your ailerons, which I doubt is a real issue.  To keep E-loss to a minimum keep an eye on the slip indicator, and "step on the ball".  If the ball is centered, all is well.  If it's a bit to the right, right rudder is neede to bring the ball back to center.

Using the rudder to bleed E isn't always a bad thing, just be wary of over-using it unintentionally.

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Offline splitatom

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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2007, 07:06:09 PM »
i once did a turn almost instantly in an fm-2 wigh just a ruderust raised the nose a tiny bit i didnt thing you could do it but i did i wasnt filming it and i havent ever tryed it on some one yet
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