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« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2007, 03:16:05 PM »
What's either missed or ignored while all of you are busy putting words into my mouth is that the situation is SELF-ESCALATING. The harder it's made to get into the country, the more people there are who will believe they have to  violate the system to get in. The more people who enter illegally, the stricter the criteria for immigration is going to be made and the harsher the penalties.

Illegal immigration is NOT GOING TO BE RESOLVED by introducing harsher punishment and stricter entrance criteria.

Is people not wanting to assimilate a problem to you? Well then blame it on the uber-PC wave that's made it to where you can't say "Merry Christmas" to some guy across the street without having to add a hundred other holidays after it, because once-upon-a-time the government ENFORCED  assimilation.

There's better and more efficient ways of resolving ALL these related issues than by putting up a fence. Reactionary responses SELDOM correct the heart of the issue, and that's EXACTLY what the government  and law enforcement is doing: Reacting, not proactively taking the steps that would satisfy BOTH sides which is the ONLY way to resolve the issue with ANY degree of finality.

Ease the immigration restrictions. Restructure the process. THEN all these people that have been entering illegally either because they HAVE tried and the system won't allow them to do so legally OR because it's too much for them to bother want to bother with are more likely to do so within the law, which the government can then more effectively regulate.
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« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2007, 03:30:39 PM »
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Originally posted by Saxman
What's either missed or ignored while all of you are busy putting words into my mouth is that the situation is SELF-ESCALATING. The harder it's made to get into the country, the more people there are who will believe they have to  violate the system to get in. The more people who enter illegally, the stricter the criteria for immigration is going to be made and the harsher the penalties.

Illegal immigration is NOT GOING TO BE RESOLVED by introducing harsher punishment and stricter entrance criteria.

Is people not wanting to assimilate a problem to you? Well then blame it on the uber-PC wave that's made it to where you can't say "Merry Christmas" to some guy across the street without having to add a hundred other holidays after it, because once-upon-a-time the government ENFORCED  assimilation.

There's better and more efficient ways of resolving ALL these related issues than by putting up a fence. Reactionary responses SELDOM correct the heart of the issue, and that's EXACTLY what the government  and law enforcement is doing: Reacting, not proactively taking the steps that would satisfy BOTH sides which is the ONLY way to resolve the issue with ANY degree of finality.

Ease the immigration restrictions. Restructure the process. THEN all these people that have been entering illegally either because they HAVE tried and the system won't allow them to do so legally OR because it's too much for them to bother want to bother with are more likely to do so within the law, which the government can then more effectively regulate.


So you do think that the majority of illegals HAVE tried to get in legally and resorted to the illegal method because it's too much for them to bother or they can't?


Please.

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« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2007, 03:32:11 PM »
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Ease the immigration restrictions. Restructure the process. THEN all these people that have been entering illegally either because they HAVE tried and the system won't allow them to do so legally OR because it's too much for them to bother want to bother with are more likely to do so within the law, which the government can then more effectively regulate.


What is this? Some sort of twisted 'if you can't beat them, join them' policy?

Why don't we take it a step further and just surrender our sovereignty?

After all, tax-paying Americans would surely be easier to keep track for the Mexican government than Mexican migrant laborers have been thus far for the American government.

We'll learn Spanish much faster than they'll learn English and then it'll just be a matter of mastering the art of wearing a Sombrero on a windy day.

HOW does THIS solution SOUND to YOU?

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« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2007, 04:02:43 PM »
Welcome to US politics: A bunch of people so sure that what THEY think is right that the minute someone has a different idea they start throwing poo.
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« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2007, 04:11:25 PM »
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Welcome to US politics: A bunch of people so sure that what THEY think is right that the minute someone has a different idea they start throwing poo.



Welcome to US politics: Divert attention from the topic and demonize those that oppose you.







p.s. what "poo" are you talking about?

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« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2007, 04:14:12 PM »
(said in a loud sobbing manner)  "LEAVE THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ALONE!"    :rofl
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« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2007, 04:17:15 PM »
I would have more sympathy for illegal immigrants if the very first thing they did in my country was obey the law.
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« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2007, 04:21:05 PM »
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I would have more sympathy for illegal immigrants if the very first thing they did in my country was obey the law.


Word.

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« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2007, 04:21:27 PM »
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Welcome to US politics: A bunch of people so sure that what THEY think is right that the minute someone has a different idea they start throwing poo.


You're proposing that we allow foreign nationals to dictate our laws and the way we define our borders. Poo is just what the doctor ordered.

Come up with something that doesn't reek quite so hard of shameless appeasement and you might get a different response.

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« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2007, 05:08:15 PM »
Where the HELL do you get the idea I'm talking about appeasment?

The system being used now DOES...NOT...WORK. It does NOT slow or reduce the numbers of illegal immigration. It does NOT in any effective manner send the ones already here BACK. You put up a fence they'll just come with wirecutters. Send out armed and trigger-happy patrols then you're just escalating it even further. The "Solutions" being introduced ARE NOT FIXING THE PROBLEM. They're only adding TO it.

If something doesn't work, you FIX it. The system needs to be CHANGED, and one needs to be found that WILL solve these problems.

Instead of controlling WHO can get in, the government should instead focus more attention on monitoring WHAT THEY DO ONCE THEY'RE IN. NOWHERE HAVE I *EVER* said "Let them in and @$#& the consequences." Read me a little more carefully and you'll see that EVERY TIME I've said "Easier to get in, but closer regulation once they do." I do NOT see what's so threatening about easing entry requirements if the government instead concentrates on regulating their activities IN the country.

If it's easier for someone to enter the country legally, they will be MORE LIKELY to declare themselves to the authorities, which will then make it EASIER for the government to keep tabs on their activities and if there ARE problems easier for them to be dealt with. It's NOT a perfect system but the one we've got isn't doing any better a job.

I'm not saying make the Dept. of Immigration back into some guy sitting at the gates with a logbook taking down names, but with all of their resources focused on keeping people OUT it's only making their jobs harder.
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« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2007, 05:33:01 PM »
Hmmmm.... lets see...

I had to get the US Govt permission to marry a Foreign National.
She had to have a background investigation.
She had to go through interviews/screening process at the US Embassy.
Applied and Granted an Entrance Visa.
Applied for an Registered Alien (Green Card).
7 Years time in Residency.
English as a Second Language.
Study for and Pass a US Citizenship Test.
She is now a US Citizen. Has a Drivers Lic. and is Registered to Vote.

Dammm the system doesn't work.  I could have saved time and money just by teaching her how to swim.

BTW I have two Daughters Born Abroad in separate Countries.

So Saxman your whiny liberal arse statement that the system doesn't work doesn't fly with me.

Cry me a River.

Mac

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« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2007, 05:52:26 PM »
Saxman, read what Mac wrote.

The system does work.

Why is it SO IMPORTANT that these people get in as fast as they can?

So what if it takes time and may be "difficult"?


And if the gov. wanted to stop people from walking over the border, they could...period.

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« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2007, 06:11:21 PM »
Mac,

How nice it worked out for you. But for some people it hasn't, and that does STILL  not address the issue that this wonderful, perfect, immaculate system hasn't stopped the flow of illegal entry, because if it DID we wouldn't be having this conversation in the FIRST place. Or do I need to go back and quote all the figures posted at the beginning of this thread to remind everyone there's still a problem here?
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« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2007, 06:15:44 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2007, 06:19:02 PM »
Saxman if there is something you really want in life you work for it....

You don't steal, trespass, break and enter and expect everyone to feel sorry for you.

There are reasons for the Law.

Spin on that!

Mac