Hillary: Yes or No?

[Arlo]

E25280 almost got this right but here's the real gist:
Arlo says, because everything that is foreign policy related is the "fault" of the president -- but in the case of Venezuela, there isn't a problem that required the CIA influencing internal politics with his tax dollars.
 

You came so close but it may as well have been farther.

[E25280]

Originally posted by Arlo
. . . what was being alluded to by the other poster was a foreign policy failure where the CIA was caught red-handed attempting to influence the internal politics of another country (nothing new, actually). I further mentioned my own pov regarding such policies if there seems no real need or gain from such.

I had to do a quick search to figure out what you were talking about.  I hadn't remembered about the failed coup several years ago.

Like you say, nothing new for the CIA or US policy in general.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by E25280
I had to do a quick search to figure out what you were talking about.  I hadn't remembered about the failed coup several years ago.

Like you say, nothing new for the CIA or US policy in general.

Ayuh. Under any post WWII admin, at that. And yeah, that was my best guess on why Venezuela made the list. If there was anything else meant, I missed it. Nobody's perfect. Even me.

[DmonSlyr]

not one politician is going to lower gas prices. why because the higher the gas the more tax money we get. even GWB knows that. people just wont stand up and not get gas for 1 day. of every 1 would stand up and not get gas for a whole day then we would start seeing changes.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by DmonSlyr
f every[one] would stand up and not get gas for a whole day then we would start seeing changes.

1. Good luck with that.

2. Even so, I doubt.

[sgt203]

Originally posted by crockett
I don't like her, but if she is the front runner on the Dem's side I'd vote for her. I'd rather see Obama get elected out of the two. Anytime I've heard that man speak, he says what I want him to say.

EXACTLY.....They all say what you want to hear but not really what they are going to do... Its all about getting elected so they can bum rush you for the next four years... They are all the same on all sides.


So much for yes or no huh:rofl  (like you really thought you would only get yes or no answers)..


BTW------ NO

[bj229r]

Originally posted by DmonSlyr
not one politician is going to lower gas prices. why because the higher the gas the more tax money we get. even GWB knows that. people just wont stand up and not get gas for 1 day. of every 1 would stand up and not get gas for a whole day then we would start seeing changes.

gas isnt taxed by dollar, is taxed by gallon

[LEADPIG]

I will never understand you right - wingers that think for a second that a form of democratic anything will last for any lenght of time in a place like Afghanistan or Iraq.

      You believe Bush when he says he wants to westernize that area, and you believe him as soon as an election is held or as soon as any little thing happens that he uses to hold up as an example of how his dumb a*$ plans will work. Only to not have enough foresight to see the social and religious turmoil that will develop after such a thing has been done in a region that is not even remotely like or similiar to our own culture at all. And think people will like it.

      That disrepect of other peoples right to live how they want, is the prime reason people around the world hate us, especially in that region. That very arrogance is creating our own problems. Well guess what..... most people don't like that.

       This is a prime standard of the human psyche. People want to be respected for who they are and how they live and they don't want our opinions or help unless asked.

     So America untill you wake up and start realizing that terrorism is alot of your own fault, no matter how good intentioned your actions are, there will never be an end to terrorism. No ammount of misguided, hapless, wars or military actions will ever help that.  You cannot bomb every terrorist into oblivion, you cannot kill them all and sign a surrender. You do not know who they all are. It is not a f*cking country, get my drift. Untill America owns up to that simple fact and tries to understand and atone for that, there will never be an end to this.

     So as long as we have people in other parts of the world that don't exactly want us there, as long as we keep feeling and acting as if were're superior and everybody wants to be like us. There will always be a resentment of America. We may not be able to reach the people who are terrorists now, they will have to be stopped, it's too late with them. But we better start working on how the children who are growing up in that region view us and feel about us. Before it's too late. America it's not totally our fault, but some of it is. Own up to your responsibility.

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by bj229r
I miss the old days when we just whacked em:aok

I'm pretty sure we tried to whack Castro. Unfortunately we got whacked first i wonder sometimes. That stuff goes both ways remember that. If we act like a moral fool in the world it leaves no reason or recourse for other nations not to act like a moral fool. And we as Americans will have no standing point, and it devalues our very stance as a society.

That is the burden we bear as Americans.

If only it was that simple.

But i guess that's as deep as simple people think.

[Halo]

(parts the bamboo and peers down the steaming jungle path)  

Anybody seen my thread?  

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by Arlo
I "don't know what to do" about whatever planet you're from, either. But I don't particularly let that scare me, son .... errrr none. Not unless you can make a convincing case that there's real cause for worry. Give it your best shot. You got better, right?

Arlo leave that guy alone. I squelched him a long time ago and don't regret it.  Although sometimes i unsquelch him from time to time, so i can watch a chimpanzee try to do math. It's funny.

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by Halo
(parts the bamboo and peers down the steaming jungle path)  

Anybody seen my thread?  

I'm so sorry Halo what was the original topic ?????


 

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by E25280
Let me see if I have this straight . . .


Arlo says, because everything that is foreign policy related is the "fault" of the president -- but in the case of Venezuela, there is no problem.

Does that about sum it up?

I think Venezuela is not Bush's fault.

Most stuff is or is made worse by his dumb arse, diplomatic responses to it.

Including gas. Someone said not getting gas for a day would do it. Iraq is a big bleeding leg wound and a little tourniquet on the right arm is not going to help that much.

Just as terrorism is a huge headwound, and treating the foot for hammer toe (War in Iraq) is a misguided attempt to stop that.

Maybe if done repeatedly the politicians would get the message. However.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Halo
(parts the bamboo and peers down the steaming jungle path)  

Anybody seen my thread?  

Ah yah, Hillary sucks:D , and she will probably be president

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by crockett
I don't like her, but if she is the front runner on the Dem's side I'd vote for her. I'd rather see Obama get elected out of the two. Anytime I've heard that man speak, he says what I want him to say.

So what your saying is you vote for the "team" rather then for the best candidate?

Doesnt matter who is running so long as your "team" wins.

I would actually like to vote Dem this trip around as I feel the country has moved too far to the right.
And Im tired of listening to all the whining.

Unfortunately Im not real impressed with the list of candidates.
Obama looked interesting till I saw that literally all he ever does is vote along party lines.
The rest Im like "eh"
Which would incline me to vote libritarian.

But if Hillary runs I may be forced into voting Republican as I feel she is just as devisive and will be every bit as bad for the country as a whole as Bush has been.

We are in desperate need of someone who can grasp the middle ground.
Hillary is about as far left as you can get.
End result will be. More tit for tat politics with now the right refusing to co operate for the good of the country for no other reason then to prevent her from gaining a political victory just as the left has been doing now.