Shooting at New Life Church in Colorado Springs

[Holden McGroin]

'Anonymous Friend' Gives $100 Million to Town

(AP)Mike Batchelor invited the heads of 46 charities into his downtown office for one-on-one meetings to personally deliver the news. Nearby, on a small table, sat a box of tissues.

Mike Batchelor accepted a $100 million donation from an "Anonymous Friend" to benefit Erie charities.

And then he proceeded: A donor had given a staggering $100 million to the Erie Community Foundation, and all of the charities would receive a share.

That was when the tears began to flow -- and the mystery began -- in this struggling old industrial city of 102,000 on Lake Erie, where the donor is known only as "Anonymous Friend."

Batchelor, president of the Erie Community Foundation, has been sworn to secrecy and will allow only that the donor worked with the organization for years to identify deserving recipients before the announcement over the summer.

Is the donor dead or alive? No comment, Batchelor says. What is the donor's connection to Erie? No comment.

The talk about the gift has taken an interesting turn in recent weeks. As much as everyone here would like to know their benefactor's identity, many are also reluctant to pry.

"My feeling is that we're not honoring the donor if we spend time speculating about it," says Rebecca Brumagin, executive director at the Achievement Center, which provides physical therapy and other services to children. The center, which serves 3,200 children a year, will get $2 million.

"The needs are really great. So we will be able to help more children because of this," Brumagin says.

[moot]

Originally posted by Chairboy
You want a side of fries with all those generalizations?  My wife's a great shot, and the 'cowardly security guard' thing, you got some evidence to back that up?  Or are you still mad about the mallcop asking you and your skateboarding friends not to do board slides down the escalator?

No kidding.. that little girl who took shots in the face for her mom was cowardly and selfish too.. same for that other sister (IIRC) who stepped up to hostage takers/kidnappers a while back.

yeager i wasn't advocating a discussion on god's existance or not with my post. what i was hoping someone more christian than myself would pointout was this.


Maybe god did warn the gaurd in time.
Maybe the gaurd was not receptive to God's way of talking untill some damage had already been done in the physical existance.

i with you agree about society, though i dont blame a lack of religion or a loss of faith in a christian god for this.

Maybe, maybe not, all conjecture.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Originally posted by -tronski-
Isn't Jesus (or said equivalent) supposed to be watching?

 Tronsky

Yeah but the bastard doesn't lift a finger, as usual. People have to do everything themeselves.

[Holden McGroin]

Former Marine Tackles, Lectures Bank Robber

DECATUR, Ga. AP

A suspected bank robber was stopped when a former Marine knocked him down and held him until police arrived. Timothy Armstead was at a Washington Mutual Bank on Tuesday to find out how someone had stolen $100 from his account when a man wielding a fire extinguisher came in and demanded $2,000.

The man told bank employees the fire extinguisher was a bomb and they had five minutes to give him $2,000 in $50 bills, DeKalb County police said.

As employees went to the bank vault to comply, the unidentified man began loudly counting down the minutes, attracting the attention of Armstead, police spokesman Michael Payne said.

When the robber tried walking out with the money, Armstead — who was already irritated about the money missing from his account — put his daughter down and knocked the man to the ground.

The man yielded without a fight. And while they waited for police to arrive, Armstead said he lectured the man on his poor decision.

''I just told him it was a very stupid decision and now you get to spend 20 years of your life just for taking some money,'' Armstead told Atlanta station WSB-TV.

Just to point out there are good things that happen from time to time...

[Maverick]

Should have lectured him using the floor to head technique to emphasize some of the numerous critical points in his lecture to the bank robber.

to the Marine.

[Charon]

Apparently, the term "security guard" is a bit over used in this case. The hero was a "security volunteer."

 Boyd said the female security guard was a hero in preventing further bloodshed, rushing to confront the gunman just inside the church.

"She probably saved over a hundred lives," Boyd said of the guard, whom he said is not a law enforcement officer and used her personal weapon.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html

Of course, other details of her background are lacking right now. But, it will be interesting to see just how much coverage this brave lady gets by the media (usually on the hunt for human interest stories) if it turns out she was simply a lay person with a CCW who was asked to lend a hand "just in case."

Charon

[Charon]

Women are not supposed to be very good shots with handguns.

Firearm instructors tend to say the opposite. Unlike their male students, females tend to pay attention and follow direction, while the male students feel they know it all already.

FWIW, I'm considering taking pistol instruction since I cant shoot a pistol worth a damn (compared to a rifle, at least). Good enough for basic self defense at common ranges but not consistent in shot placement or groupings. My goal would be to approach it like a woman since I'm sure I have fundamental errors in technique that need correction

Charon

[Toad]

Originally posted by Charon
just how much coverage this brave lady gets by the media (usually on the hunt for human interest stories) if it turns out she was simply a lay person with a CCW who was asked to lend a hand "just in case."

Charon

 
Come now. You know it's against Mass Media rules to say anything positive at all about private ownership/use of weapons. Especially if she was CCW; that has to be twisted into a bad connotation somehow.

Praise the personal use of a handgun by a CCW holder on the national news? Cod forbid!

[BiGBMAW]

women I have seen tend to be better shots..

The fine dexterity of  th efinger does help a trmedous amount when talking about trigger control...

Look at the handwritting of most males compared to females..ladies are better


And when you are shooting guns trigger pull has got to be the #1 factor of aim



And this lady who blasted thsi scum bag will get NO COVERAGE from the scum sucking linguinni spinned left wing socialist limpwristed demcrat liberals.....

We will see it in "Armed Citizen" and thats probbaly it..

Wonder what gun she used..how many shots?

[lazs2]

I won't get into the women with guns things except to say...in my life I have taught a lot of women to shoot guns and they all seemed easy to teach and were all very good with the firearms.

The point is that the way this guy was stopped was by a civilian with a concealed firearm..  she probly saved a whole lot of peoples lives.   The saving of lives with her gun will not get the attention of the killing of people gets tho.

And... if it were a public school... this woman would have been unarmed.. she was brave enough tho that she would probly have attacked anyway and would simply be one more victim.

Armed against the bad guy or not armed.. that is the choice.  We see how well the "gun free zones" do.

now you can see how it turns out when the citizens are armed.

lazs

[Shaky]

Originally posted by Charon
Apparently, the term "security guard" is a bit over used in this case. The hero was a "security volunteer."

 

Of course, other details of her background are lacking right now. But, it will be interesting to see just how much coverage this brave lady gets by the media (usually on the hunt for human interest stories) if it turns out she was simply a lay person with a CCW who was asked to lend a hand "just in case."

Charon

I think its becoming clearer that this was actually the case. Turns out she was the one who, after the shooting earlier in the day, approached the pastor suggesting more "security" and basically said "this need done, I'll do it".

Hero.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by moot


Maybe, maybe not, all conjecture.

sure what i think about doesnt matter in the material world, only the spiritual, i realise that. some of us may hold more stock in the spiritual world than the material tho.

[moot]

Stock?

[Rollins]

Bat, I believe that the guards which Halo referred to at synagogues were probably the Jewish Defense League.  I'm not totally familiar with their operation, but I'm sure someone on the boards here can flesh out the topic.

[SIG220]

Originally posted by Charon
Apparently, the term "security guard" is a bit over used in this case. The hero was a "security volunteer."

Of course, other details of her background are lacking right now. But, it will be interesting to see just how much coverage this brave lady gets by the media (usually on the hunt for human interest stories) if it turns out she was simply a lay person with a CCW who was asked to lend a hand "just in case."

Charon

Reports now confirm that the bad guy was not only armed with an AK-47, but also had a semiautomatic shotgun and pistol too, as well as lots of ammunition for them.  One can only wonder how many unarmed people he could have potentially killed.

It also appears that the heroic woman was only armed with a revolver.   But it is also now being reported that she emptied her gun into the bad guy.

The killer must not have expected anyone inside the church to be armed.  She must have caught him off-guard, as he clearly had the advantage weaponry-wise.

See this new report:

http://www.denverpost.com/crush/ci_7682958


SIG 220