Author Topic: Barack Obama (Read 1436 times)

LePaul · « **Reply #15 on:** December 10, 2007, 07:44:17 AM »

The only good thing about Obama is he's taking Clinton to task over her record, and lack of one. The other candidates on the Democratic side are too shy to ask her the hard questions.

Presidential? I dont think so. But its good to see him continuing to show Clinton for what she is. A fool who thinks she is entitled to the Presidency.

lazs2 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 10, 2007, 07:56:27 AM »

osamabama is a total liberal socialist. If that is what you want then he is the second coming.

If you are a libertarian or individualist... he is the antichrist.

Like all liberal socialists tho.. he pretends not to be.. His voting record shows that he is one of the worst... he is exactly like klinton and every other candidate the democrats have thrown at us for the last few decades.

The days of democrats allowing a hubert humphrey to run are long gone.

lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #17 on:** December 10, 2007, 08:01:16 AM »

Bill Clinton may have been the most centrist President since Nixon. That's right I said Nixon.

lazs2 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 10, 2007, 08:07:15 AM »

you have got to be kidding? The center must have shifted then.

Granted.. he had no morals and no core beliefs that could not be over run by any poll that came along but being easy to bend does not make for a center.

or... maybe you are talking about if he were the president of france?

lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #19 on:** December 10, 2007, 08:15:09 AM »

No lazs, I'm basing that on actual legislation and actions instead of opinion.

lazs2 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 10, 2007, 08:28:24 AM »

I guess we have a different idea of center then.

lazs

Eagler · « **Reply #21 on:** December 10, 2007, 08:50:32 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Bill Clinton may have been the most centrist President since Nixon. That's right I said Nixon.

the center of Monica's pie hole maybe

any "center" action from slick were due to the republicans holding the strings from 94 on

Tango · « **Reply #22 on:** December 10, 2007, 08:54:44 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
No lazs, I'm basing that on actual legislation and actions instead of opinion.

More like he simply stayed out of the way while Newt and the Republican controled House and Senate get the country back on track economically. He just took the credit for it.

lazs2 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 10, 2007, 08:58:42 AM »

so you are saying that if we have a really dishonest democrat in power who's core values are being liked and always following the polls and.. at the same time..the house and congress are both controlled by republicans.. we get... center?

lazs

Saxman · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2007, 09:33:12 AM »

Just to be a smart-ass:

The US government--Legislature and President alike--are in the employ of the AMERICAN PEOPLE, and these polls are intended to get a sense of current American public opinion. I'd actually EXPECT Congress and the President of the United States to consider public opinion and @#$% the Party Line when making their decision.

Or was Lincoln just pulling the "Government of, by and for the PEOPLE" bit out of his ass?

I'm not condoning Clinton's dishonesty, but regardless of his motivation, at LEAST a President who shapes policy by the polls is showing he's LISTENING to the people who put him in office, which is more than I can say for the cowboy we've got in there now doing whatever the hell pleases him.

Charon · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:55:07 AM »

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Barack Obama

Barack Obama:

The 2nd Coming of Christ

or

The Antichrist

?

Neither. Just another Illinois political hack with Dick Durbin's hand up his ass. He's slick, attractive, appealing and at this time a complete lightweight with no legislative record to review or history of leadership. He has already dabbled in the typical Illinois corruption, but perhaps not enough, just yet, to make a difference. He is not a free thinker, he is not an independent he is part of the Illinois Democratic Machine.

Charon

NitroFish · « **Reply #26 on:** December 10, 2007, 03:23:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Saxman
The US government--Legislature and President alike--are in the employ of the AMERICAN PEOPLE, and these polls are intended to get a sense of current American public opinion. I'd actually EXPECT Congress and the President of the United States to consider public opinion and @#$% the Party Line when making their decision.

The US government is a representative democracy.

Representative Democracy
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a type of democracy in which the citizens delegate authority to elected representatives

Direct Democracy
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a form of democracy in which the people as a whole make direct decisions, rather than have those decisions made for them by elected representatives

Saxman · « **Reply #27 on:** December 10, 2007, 03:32:59 PM »

The operational part of representative democracy is that the people in office are supposed to represent what the PEOPLE want, NOT bend over so the anti-gun, pro-gun, Big Oil, King Cotton, Family Moralists, Ultra Christian Right, Miniority Interest, Creationist, Evolutionist, Atheist, Polygamist, Pro-Choice-ist, Abortionist, Pro Gay Marriage-ist, ANTI Gay Marriage-ist etc., etc., ETC. lobbies can jam their hands up the representatives' tulips and use them as their own personal hand-puppets.

Chilli · « **Reply #28 on:** December 10, 2007, 03:46:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
zero experience .. hope to heck we are not that stupid to elect such a rookie but I am not that sure we are not

Yup, recent history should give u little hope, considering how little thought we use in considering someone fit for office. Red or Blue? Pacaderm or Equine? Promises of tax reform or balanced budget?

I was dismayed, in the last presidential election, an elementary school held a mock election on election day. They were given no information about the candidates, just names on the ballot (Bush, Kerry and I don't even think Nader's name was lsted:eek: )

The results were just about equal to the real results percentage wise. I don't exactly remember, but I think it was like a 2 percent difference. I honestly believe some of the kids flipped a coin. Most of them treated it like a popularity contest

(oh, that's right it is).

Don't forget Arnold Swarzencantspellya and Gray Davis in California. Experienced????

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 10, 2007, 03:46:21 PM »

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Originally posted by NitroFish
The US government is a representative democracy.

Representative Democracy
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a type of democracy in which the citizens delegate authority to elected representatives

Direct Democracy
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a form of democracy in which the people as a whole make direct decisions, rather than have those decisions made for them by elected representatives

With most of the american people able to have access to the internet, I've often wondered if we'd ever switch over to a direct democracy, or if it would be worth it to change at all.