Author Topic: I'm gonna watch this closely! (Read 2276 times)

Viking · « **Reply #60 on:** December 15, 2007, 09:05:47 AM »

I already addressed that Bodhi if you'd just read on a bit...

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #61 on:** December 15, 2007, 10:21:32 AM »

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Well that depends on my/your point of view, but I'll concede that point. However you did not answer my second question: Do you think that their (Taliban) recognition of Chechnya means anything at all?

Probably about as much as Chechnya's recognition by Georgia.

Viking · « **Reply #62 on:** December 15, 2007, 10:37:38 AM »

Chechnya was never recognized as an independent country by Georgia.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #63 on:** December 15, 2007, 10:42:35 AM »

President Gamsakhurdia did briefly.

Viking · « **Reply #64 on:** December 15, 2007, 10:44:14 AM »

When? And please provide a source.

Viking · « **Reply #65 on:** December 15, 2007, 10:49:08 AM »

Lol, President Gamsakhurdia died in exile in 1993. A year before the first Chechyan war.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #66 on:** December 15, 2007, 10:57:35 AM »

He was only president for 7 months before a Russian sponsored coup outed him.

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First non wiki source I googled
When the USSR split up and when the wind of freedom blew to Chechenia, too, many thought that the nightmare would be over. Ichkeria actually had some friends with understanding – the Chechens enjoyed great sympathy among many of the other nations that had been under the Russian yoke, and thus, e.g. Baltic and Georgian leaders supported the Chechen aspirations as much as they could. Only one of them, Zviad Gamsakhurdia’s Georgia, actually officially recognised the Chechen independence. Besides, the Estonian Prime Minister Mart Laar and Chief of the Estonian Bank Siim Kallas supported Dudayev and the Chechen government by selling all the rubles that had become obsolete in the Estonian monetary reform, to Ichkeria. The Lithuanian statesman Vytautas Landsbergis has several times caused anger among communists and Russians by defending the Caucasians publicly. Unfortunately none of the Baltic countries, despite their sympathy, could recognise Ichkeria, as they were too hardly pressured by Russia and the West.

AWMac · « **Reply #67 on:** December 15, 2007, 11:03:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Viking
They harbored Osama since the war with the Soviets. The 9/11 attack was planned and the terrorists trained in Afghanistan with the support of the Taliban.

If you recognize their legitimacy as a nation, then you must also recognize that they are legal combatants and that you are duty bound to treat them as such per international treaties.

It was the Soviets who invaded Afghanistan.. the Soviets did not invade Taliban but the entire Nation of Afghanistan. Your spin on this didn't work.

Next spin....

The undersigned Plenipotentiaries of the Governments represented at the Diplomatic Conference held at Geneva from April 21 to August 12, 1949, for the purpose of revising the Convention concluded at Geneva on July 27, 1929, relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, have agreed as follows:

International Humanitarian Law

Try reading this between your spins.

This also has a list of the Nations that signed the Geneva Convention. Sorry if the Taliban are a "Terrorist" Ideology and not a recognized Nation.

Next spin is you'll soon whine that they are denied their rights under the U.S. Constitution. Maybe that's why it's called the "U.S. Constitution"?

Viking spins faster than a childs 5 penny top.

Mac

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #68 on:** December 15, 2007, 11:06:21 AM »

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Name one country that officially recognized Chechnyan independence.

Afganistan

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I asked you to name one country that recognized Chechnya as an independent state; the answer is that none did ... and Islamic terrorist organizations most definitely do not count.

Georgia

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Lol, President Gamsakhurdia died in exile in 1993. A year before the first Chechyan war.

There was a time constraint on your challenge?

What limits are next? Please publish a full text of the rules of your game.

Viking · « **Reply #69 on:** December 15, 2007, 11:18:55 AM »

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Originally posted by AWMac
It was the Soviets who invaded Afghanistan.. the Soviets did not invade Taliban but the entire Nation of Afghanistan. Your spin on this didn't work.

What has that got to do with anything? And no, the USSR did not invade Afghanistan. The Afghan government requested help from the Soviets to fight the Taliban rebels. The USSR did no more invade Afghanistan than America invaded Vietnam.

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Originally posted by AWMac
This also has a list of the Nations that signed the Geneva Convention. Sorry if the Taliban are a "Terrorist" Ideology and not a recognized Nation.

Ah, so you agree with me that the Taliban is not a legitimate government. You truely are an idiot Mac.

AWMac · « **Reply #70 on:** December 15, 2007, 11:19:25 AM »

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Please publish a full text of the rules of your game.

Viking is automatically allowed to offer spins as true statements.

Your answers cannot coincide with a spin, no matter how correct the answer may be.

If for any reason Vikings last spin feels threatened he is then allowed a free spin.

You may not answer a spin with facts.

Viking is always right, your information or true facts are null and void.

Mac

AWMac · « **Reply #71 on:** December 15, 2007, 11:24:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Viking
What has that got to do with anything? And no, the USSR did not invade Afghanistan. The Afghan government requested help from the Soviets to fight the Taliban rebels. The USSR did no more invade Afghanistan than America invaded Vietnam.

Man I wish I could find some of the Meds you are on.

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Originally posted by Viking
Ah, so you agree with me that the Taliban is not a legitimate government. You truely are an idiot Mac.

Man I just quoted yer own spin. Having problems keeping your spins together now?
Back off the Meds a lil.

Mac

Viking · « **Reply #72 on:** December 15, 2007, 11:24:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Afganistan

Not the legal government of Afghanistan, recognized by the west and the UN. Only the Chechnyan terrorist allies in the Taliban.

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Georgia

There was a time constraint on your challenge?

Bodhi set the time as between the first and second Chechnyan war, but I would suggest at least limiting yourself to when the Chechnyans were actually not under Russian control. If some eastern-bloc president recognize California as a separate country it doesn't make it so.

Viking · « **Reply #73 on:** December 15, 2007, 11:30:03 AM »

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Man I just quoted yer own spin. Having problems keeping your spins together now?
Back off the Meds a lil.

Mac

I have been arguing this whole thread that the Taliban are NOT a legitimate government, but only a terrorist organization. The "spin" you see is only in your head; you're just too stupid to understand it.

Viking · « **Reply #74 on:** December 15, 2007, 11:44:57 AM »

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Man I wish I could find some of the Meds you are on.

You seen to do more than fine with the ones you're on now.

Quotes from wiki:

"The Soviet war in Afghanistan also known as the Soviet-Afghan War was a nine-year conflict involving Soviet forces supporting the Marxist People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) government against the largely Islamic fundamentalist Mujahideen insurgents. The latter group found support from a variety of sources including the United States, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other Muslim nations in the context of the Cold War. This conflict was concurrent to the 1979 Iranian Revolution and the Iran-Iraq War."

"The Afghan government repeatedly requested the introduction of Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the spring and summer of 1979. They requested Soviet troops to provide security and to assist in the fight against the Mujahideen rebels. On 14 April 1979 the Afghan government requested that the USSR send 15 to 20 helicopters with their crews to Afghanistan, and on 16 June the Soviet government responded and sent a detachment of tanks, BMPs, and crews to guard the government in Kabul and to secure the Bagram and Shindand airfields. In response to this request, an airborne battalion, commanded by Lieutenant Colonel A. Lomakin, arrived at the Bagram Air Base on 7 July. They arrived without their combat gear disguised as technical specialists. They were the personal bodyguards for President Taraki. The paratroopers were directly subordinated to the senior Soviet military adviser and did not interfere in Afghan politics.

After a month, the Afghan requests were no longer for individual crews and subunits, but were for regiments and larger units. On 19 July, the Afghan government requested that two motorized rifle divisions be sent to Afghanistan. The following day, they requested an airborne division in addition to the earlier requests. They repeated these requests and variants to these requests over the following months right up to December 1979. However, the Soviet government was in no hurry to grant these requests."

Do you deny any of this?