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« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2008, 10:37:25 AM »
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I would doubt that any of the Japanese aircraft by wars end had any real amount of service that it needed to perform the way it should have if it did receive the proper service. This has nothing to do with how capable the aircraft should have been if it did receive said service...


From what I've read, the problems were more the result of quality control during manufacture, rather than service in the field.  For example, the Ki-61-II "Tony" fighter used a liquid-cooled inverted V-12 inline engine developed from the Daimler-Benz DB 601, the Kawasaki Ha-140. This engine often self-destructed during take-off due to catastrophic crankshaft failure!


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« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2008, 11:36:36 AM »
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There were more combined kills and deaths in the B-25H last camp (17,497) than in the B-17 or the B-26.  Hanger queen indeed.

I see them almost every day.


I can't get the total kills feature to load. Care to take a minute and compare the 25H kills to the P40 or A6M5?
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« Reply #77 on: January 08, 2008, 11:45:41 AM »
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I can't get the total kills feature to load. Care to take a minute and compare the 25H kills to the P40 or A6M5?


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B-25H   6980 kills   10517 deaths
A6M5b   10961 kills   12292 deaths
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« Reply #78 on: January 08, 2008, 02:21:28 PM »
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A Brewster Buffalo shoots down an LA5 over Finland.

Doesn't mean the Buffalo was "able to compete even with the best the Soviets had to offer" -- just means it was able to get a kill due to the circumstances surrounding that engagement.

In no way, shape, form, or stretch of the imagination is the Brewster comparable to the LA5, but it can still kill them.


The fact that the Ki100 (which was NO BETTER, got that, NO BETTER than the Ki61) could get a kill under certain circumstances, does NOT mean it was better than the US planes it fought.

Nor was it faster at any alt. It could only turn tighter circles. Well, against the US fighters, a tight turning radius wasn't going to seal the deal. A6m2s, A5ms, Ki43s, etc *ALL* had tighter turning circles than any of the allied planes that shot them down in record numbers.

It borders on the edge of propaganda to say the Ki-100 was in any way competitive with the late-war US planes. It was a 1942 plane, with an even older engine tacked on in 1944 because they lost their inline engines production lines. A stop-gap, a last-ditch effort. It was not superior, it was not "great" -- I'm rather P.O.ed about the propaganda the Ki-100 receives. Most of it is out and out fabrication, the rest gross exaggeration, and some of it just plain LIES (no, they did NOT shoot down 16 hellcats on their first mission).



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Lets ask Tommy McGuire if tighter turning planes made any difference, oh wait he's dead. Pappy Boyington was another to fall to tighter turning aircraft. The U.S. fabricated kills just like the Japs and thats a well know fact so getting POEd over what someone has written is pointless.

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« Reply #79 on: January 08, 2008, 02:31:02 PM »
Er.... are you serious? Or are you trying to play dumb?

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« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2008, 02:54:27 PM »
One of the most fun things I ever participated in in the WB arena was one of Kekule's mass Oscar raids.

The Oscar was a fun sweet little ride, no doubt about it.  

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« Reply #81 on: January 08, 2008, 05:24:47 PM »
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This engine often self-destructed during take-off due to catastrophic crankshaft failure!


I wonder if we can get that modeled in... :lol
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« Reply #82 on: January 31, 2008, 10:44:53 AM »
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From what I've read, the problems were more the result of quality control during manufacture, rather than service in the field.  For example, the Ki-61-II "Tony" fighter used a liquid-cooled inverted V-12 inline engine developed from the Daimler-Benz DB 601, the Kawasaki Ha-140. This engine often self-destructed during take-off due to catastrophic crankshaft failure!


The latest aircraft did have engines that were rushed into service before the bugs could be worked out but this comment was directed towards a comment about a immaculately maintained engine on the Frank. I'm sure that when your country is being bombed on a daily basis you would run short of proper metals and other components that would make your engines run smooth. Im sure that crankshaft failure could have been a combo of poor metal quality, ballbearing quality, rush of completion you know all the things that constant bombing would bring about.

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« Reply #83 on: April 16, 2009, 09:37:51 PM »
the Oscar was the backbone of Japanese air power in China during the early and mid years and it should be added because the plane served as the base model for the 84 that came after.  Its not going to be a popular plane though. . .its slow, it lack real firepower and lacks any real protection to pilots (all of these things were `fixed` in the 84).

I think penalizing IJN/A planes because of `poor late war quality control` is a bad idea. . .even the Germans suffered from a lack of quality control in the last year of the war but the K4 and D9 are given a wide berth in terms of speed, firepower and durability. . .the IJ planes should also be given their academic stats.  If people insist on quality style realism - then every plane should have a `lemon factor` every time you take a new plane up except the Japanese would have more lemons.  But at that point. . .it`s going too far.

More IJ planes would be a good thing imo. . .as it stands the Japanese are underreprisented and given stiff penalties because the perception is that industry in Japan suffered more then the Germans or the Italians. . .which is only the case after Germany and Italy fell to the Allies.   

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« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2009, 09:49:07 PM »


Although the IJAAF did have a few aircraft carrier ships of their own.  Gotta love inter-service rivalry!

LMAO, this quote made it all the way from page one unchallenged?  ;)

Bino I want to hear more about Imperial Japanese Army aircraft carriers.

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« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2009, 09:53:20 PM »
LMAO, this quote made it all the way from page one unchallenged?  ;)

Bino I want to hear more about Imperial Japanese Army aircraft carriers.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Akitsu_Maru :)

But AFAIK the only plane that was ever operated from IJAAF carriers was the Ki-76.
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« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2009, 10:04:57 PM »
Thats one that's more about the principle.

The fact that the IJA had its own naval vessels kind of overshadows what flew off them and how they were used. What is the Army doing with combat ships??
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« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2009, 01:12:07 AM »
I second it.  This was a fun plane to fly in Warbirds, and I would love to see it here.
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« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2009, 01:14:54 AM »
every plane should have a `lemon factor` every time you take a new plane up except the Japanese would have more lemons. .   
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« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2009, 07:00:00 AM »
Huge +1...I'm surprised it hasn't been added allready
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