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« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2007, 11:19:49 AM »
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Wee-uns kin pee whurever we want and a heckuva lot easier! :t

(just trying to help ;))


Yeah you lucky devils! :rofl

I am so envious of that! hahahahahaha

But I wouldn't trade what I have for what you have and that's a fact, Jack. ;)

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« Reply #106 on: December 17, 2007, 05:22:51 PM »
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Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl

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« Reply #107 on: December 18, 2007, 10:49:39 AM »
tigress.. I have changed diapers when there were no women around to do it.   You do what you have to do but that does not make it natural or the thing to do all the time.. just like some desperate countries have used women in combat... just like we used women in mens jobs in WWII... desperation.

despite my scottish heratige.. I don't feel that there are jobs I want to do that would be better done in a dress.    If women want to have a "womens only" event of any kind... more power to em.. I stay away... got better things to do.

If women want to start a company and hire nothing but women.. I don't give a crap.. I will start my own or go to someone who wants me.   don't want to work around a bunch of women in any case.

contrast this with women... they want to dress like men.. act like men.. do mens jobs (badly) and then retreat back to femininity when it gets a little rough... if a job requires strength.. they simply ask that the standards be lowered.   at the same time.. they want to have all the advantages that being a female confers on them in todays society...  

They don't mind if you change the diapers or go to the school.. but if you get a divorce..  they should get the kid because..  well.. a kid needs its mother right?

Also.. they should get the lions share of everything and the man should support them after the divorce because.. after all.. they are just a helpless female...

They can hit you and scream the most vile things at you... say things that would get any man clobbered by another and.. well... you don't hit women..even tho... some here would tell you that women are just as tough as men.... I mean.... look at all the movies with 90 lb women kicking the crap out of 5 or six armed men if you don't believe women are tough.

The one thing about rap that I find funny...   the total disrespect for women.. it is amusing in the extreme to me.. the women are saying nothing about it.. what can they say?

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« Reply #108 on: December 19, 2007, 09:30:49 AM »
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tigress.. I have changed diapers when there were no women around to do it.   You do what you have to do but that does not make it natural or the thing to do all the time.. just like some desperate countries have used women in combat... just like we used women in mens jobs in WWII... desperation.

despite my scottish heratige.. I don't feel that there are jobs I want to do that would be better done in a dress.    If women want to have a "womens only" event of any kind... more power to em.. I stay away... got better things to do.

If women want to start a company and hire nothing but women.. I don't give a crap.. I will start my own or go to someone who wants me.   don't want to work around a bunch of women in any case.

contrast this with women... they want to dress like men.. act like men.. do mens jobs (badly) and then retreat back to femininity when it gets a little rough... if a job requires strength.. they simply ask that the standards be lowered.   at the same time.. they want to have all the advantages that being a female confers on them in todays society...  

They don't mind if you change the diapers or go to the school.. but if you get a divorce..  they should get the kid because..  well.. a kid needs its mother right?

Also.. they should get the lions share of everything and the man should support them after the divorce because.. after all.. they are just a helpless female...

They can hit you and scream the most vile things at you... say things that would get any man clobbered by another and.. well... you don't hit women..even tho... some here would tell you that women are just as tough as men.... I mean.... look at all the movies with 90 lb women kicking the crap out of 5 or six armed men if you don't believe women are tough.

The one thing about rap that I find funny...   the total disrespect for women.. it is amusing in the extreme to me.. the women are saying nothing about it.. what can they say?

lazs


Lazs... Lazs... Lazs... you poor dear! :noid ...mean ole women!

Phooey on us women, huh dear? :rofl

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« Reply #109 on: December 19, 2007, 10:14:31 AM »
women want to be equal, but in a special way.

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« Reply #110 on: December 19, 2007, 10:16:53 AM »
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women want to be equal, but in a special way.


Omg ! :O  .......I agree with John lol





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« Reply #111 on: December 19, 2007, 10:25:37 AM »
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women want to be equal, but in a special way.


Teehee, repeat after me... men and women are different; both are equally human beings.

The Battle of the Sexes is what it is...

I could just imagine the dialog if this battle was reversed with women being the physically stronger more aggressive and dominating sex since the dawn of time! :rofl

You guys are the physically stronger more aggressive and dominating sex.

That gives you inate power; but might does not mean right.... necessarily. :)
 
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« Reply #112 on: December 19, 2007, 10:29:10 AM »
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I could just imagine the dialog if this battle was reversed with women being the physically stronger more aggressive and dominating sex since the dawn of time!

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I`m sure  you can.
Women are one of the grandest things on earth as a whole.
Like everything else , not all are perfect.
There are some who imagines and wishes to be men or assume a man`s role.
Those are most unappealing........even to most women.
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« Reply #113 on: December 19, 2007, 10:30:00 AM »
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Teehee, repeat after me... men and women are different; both are equally human beings.

The Battle of the Sexes is what it is...

I could just imagine the dialog if this battle was reversed with women being the physically stronger more aggressive and dominating sex since the dawn of time! :rofl

You guys are the physically stronger more aggressive and dominating sex.

That give you inate power; but might does not mean right.... necessarily. :)
 
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Repeat after me......There is no way to be equal yet have differing standards in any way.   .........Period.

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« Reply #114 on: December 19, 2007, 10:52:02 AM »
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I could just imagine the dialog if this battle was reversed with women being the physically stronger more aggressive and dominating sex since the dawn of time!

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I`m sure  you can.
Women are one of the grandest things on earth as a whole.
Like everything else , not all are perfect.
There are some who imagines and wishes to be men or assume a man`s role.
Those are most unappealing........even to most women.

edit: I had not thought of the reversal in terms of  gloating over being the dominate sex; I was imagining all the complaining coming from the dominated side.

Men and Women are without a doubt one of God's greatest achievements.

None are perfect... we are all human.

If a particular woman chooses to be all that she can be... it's not becoming of particular men to suppress her... in my view, doing that would diminish these particular men.



Attacking a woman's femininity for breaking stereotyped roles of "a woman's place" is low ball, in my view.

A particular woman, if she so chooses and has the requisite physical and mental abilities, can do pretty much anything within those limitations. It doesn't diminish her as a woman.

It's proven every day. :)

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Edit: case in point...

From--> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/TenWays/story?id=3751344&page=1

Space Station Gets Its First Woman Commander
By GINA SUNSERI
October 19, 2007 11:35:39 AM PDT




Peggy Whitson makes it look so easy. The Iowa farmer's daughter is now the first woman to command the International Space Station, and she says it's really no big deal.

Her colleague, Pam Melroy, who will command the shuttle flight scheduled to head to the space station Tuesday, said Whitson is the perfect person for the job.

"I love Peggy's leadership style," said Melroy. "I think the most important element of her style is her sense of humor, which is really just a sense of perspective. And that is really important because as a leader, one of the most important things you have to keep is the big picture. She is very direct and very kind at the same time."

Peggy Whitson was selected as an astronaut in 1996 and spent 184 days on the space station in 2002, good preparation for her new post. She will oversee the most ambitious phase of construction on the International Space Station.

"It is a technological achievement," she told ABC News before leaving for orbit in a Russian Soyuz spacecraft earlier this month. "The fact that we are putting together these pieces of hardware from all different countries is really and truly almost miraculous."

The 16 countries building the International Space Station have struggled to keep it operational, grappling with computer failures, gyroscope failures and supply issues. But that, said Whitson, is what makes the space station so valuable: learning how to keep such a base operational on orbit.

"We are using this assembly task, this very complicated assembly task in space and difficult environments," she said. "So we can use what we learn to build bases on the moon and on Mars, this is a key stepping stone to getting there."

The view, weightlessness, spacewalks: Six months in space on orbit can be rewarding.

Astronaut Clay Anderson will be returning to Earth on the next shuttle mission; he spoke wistfully about missing his family, and a good steak dinner with a loaded baked potato. He may want a beer, too, but it is politically incorrect for an astronaut to even breathe a word about alcohol these days.
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« Reply #115 on: December 19, 2007, 12:08:24 PM »
So........you view an astronaut as being a male role as seen by the public?
I don`t. Anyone, with the right training and mental ability, should be able to accomplish that.
Their is no compromising of others that I see there.
Quite a stretch from combatant to astronaut.

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If a particular woman chooses to be all that she can be... it's not becoming of particular men to suppress her... in my view, doing that would diminish these particular men.


I can agree with that up to the point that it starts compromising those around them..such as a combatant role.
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« Reply #116 on: December 19, 2007, 12:08:40 PM »
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Repeat after me......There is no way to be equal yet have differing standards in any way.   .........Period.


Men are stronger and more aggressive and more dominate than women... nothing will ever change that, dear.

Based solely on those traits alone, we are not equal.

But we are equally human and our achievements do not diminish men; our achievements simply show that we are adult human beings; not children and not sub-human, not lesser forms of life.

I find males typical of their gender to be quite attractive; I have no aspirations to be one; and that, dear, is an honest and solemn promise.

I just believe in the freedom this country was founded on for all people to reach their potential, if they so choose.

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« Reply #117 on: December 19, 2007, 12:16:47 PM »
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So........you view an astronaut as being a male role as seen by the public?
I don`t. Anyone, with the right training and mental ability, should be able to accomplish that.
Their is no compromising of others that I see there.
Quite a stretch from combatant to astronaut.

 

I can agree with that up to the point that it starts compromising those around them..such as a combatant role.


Jackal, I am sure you are pretty much just playing the devil's advocate... I have learned to an extent, from your expressed nature here on the BBS, that you are a good guy.

Same with Lazs and Leadpig and John and most, but not all, the others... all three of these guys seem to like to cut up with me and others here.

BTW, Peggy Whitson is not just an astronaut; Peggy is the Commander of the International Space Station.

What particular women have achieved in combat as Russian combatants is a matter of record.

Arguing that point is useless.

In my opinion, if it were all up to women there wouldn't be any combat... war is a male invention born of his aggressiveness and need to dominate not just us women but also all other men and the world.

That fact that a woman can kill a man is just that... a fact.

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Edit: case in point...

Woman Kills Intruder With Bare Hands --> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/08/national/main1990049.shtml

Police Say Oregon Nurse Strangled Man In Self Defense
PORTLAND, Ore., Sept. 8, 2006

(AP) A nurse returning from work discovered an intruder armed with a hammer in her home and strangled him with her bare hands, police said.

Susan Kuhnhausen, 51, ran to a neighbor's house after the confrontation Wednesday night. Police found the body of Edward Dalton Haffey, 59, a convicted felon with a long police record.

Officer Katherine Kent said homicide detectives have determined that Kuhnhausen killed Haffey in self-defense. She said a prosecutor is investigating but that the case is not expected to go to a grand jury.

Police said there was no obvious sign of forced entry at the house when Kuhnhausen, an emergency room nurse at Providence Portland Medical Center, got home from work shortly after 6 p.m.

Under Oregon law people can use reasonable deadly force when defending themselves against an intruder or burglar in their homes. Kuhnhausen was treated and released for minor injuries at Providence.

Haffey, about 5-foot-9 and 180 pounds, had convictions including conspiracy to commit aggravated murder, robbery, drug charges and possession of burglary tools. Neighbors said Kuhnhausen's size — 5-foot-7 and 260 pounds — may have given her an advantage.

“Everyone that I've talked to says 'Hurray for Susan,' said neighbor Annie Warnock, who called 911. “You didn't need to calm her. She's an emergency room nurse. She's used to dealing with crisis.”
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« Reply #118 on: December 19, 2007, 02:13:06 PM »
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...snip... The older a guy gets, the more of a break he gets on physical standards yet he does the same job as the younger ones.

Explain that...

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I'm guessing you don't have much experience with the military. The older a guy gets, it is assumed he will increase in rank. With increase in rank comes less physical 'work' and more leadership skills.

You assume as a guy gets older he has to do the same amount work as a younger soldier/sailor/marine/airmen. Generally speaking, he doesn't. The 'job' changes with increased rank. To compare a First Sergeant to a PFC is like comparing apples and oranges. They may both be 11B, but rarely will they be required to do the same work. The PFCs JOB is to fight his way up the hill, running, climbing, carrying, shooting, etc is his WORK. The First Sergeants JOB is to get that PFC up the hill, his WORK is traning the PFC in his job.




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Hi Coshy,

While I understand your thinking, a Sergeant's ruck sack weighs as much as a PFC's ruck sack. Yes? No?

Also, rank and age are not directly linked. A PFC can be any age legal for military service. Yes? No?

Sergeants are assigned to the infantry and go in harms way alongside PFCs. Yes? No?

Again... females are not assigned to infantry duty as combat soldiers.

Point is... there is not, nor will there ever be, a "one size fits all" single set of physical requirements for all people in the armed services that Lead and others have been espousing.

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Lead,

…Just a repost, to make a point.

If we did as you are suggesting, no man older than the lowest age bracket of the Armed Forces Physical Requirements would ever be in combat or even allowed to remain in the military at all unless he could meet the youngest age physical requirements bracket.

There is no "one size fits all" physical standard for all members of the armed forces and never will be.

Again, women are not assigned to the top 5% of physically demanding jobs as I have repeatedly stated on this thread.

Those top 5% jobs women are excluded from include no infantry, no special ops units, no commando units, no tank duty... etc.

I can continue with this indefinitely should people forget/choose to forget  past posts to this thread or try to avoid/ignore what has already been discussed and addressed on this thread but I would prefer avoiding the rehash.

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« Reply #119 on: December 19, 2007, 02:25:34 PM »
there are always going to be exceptions in every facet of life..  that does not mean that the exception should be the rule.

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