190 Series Vs. P38 Series

[Bosco123]

They are similar in many ways, but the P38 is a better turn fighter and the 190 is an E fighter but the P38 is still not the best turner. So what would realy happen against these two in the air?

[Major Biggles]

38, easily, unless there are swarms of good sticks in 190s

[Keiler]

...unless the 38 driver underestimates the zoom-climb capability of the 190

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Bosco123
They are similar in many ways...

Only in a world where the P-51's top speed is 350MPH.


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[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Keiler
...unless the 38 driver underestimates the zoom-climb capability of the 190

Actually, the other way around.  P-38 is better in the vertical than the FW190 as it is able to retain energy much better.  It's the 190 driver that needs to make sure they don't underestimate the zoom and vertical ability of the Lightning.


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[Keiler]

Well I have a film recorded, 1 on 1, where the 38 guy didnt think I would catch him (and he had lots of e advantage at first). If it wouldnt have been my inept gunnery I would have gotten him on the first loop. And it didnt feel like I was totally struggling to keep my nose up (A-5).

Matt

[Guppy35]

There are some good 190 sticks that can make them do things the average AH 190 driver can't.

And of course there are some 38 sticks who can do the same thing.

Being an average 38G driver my experience is that I generally find the 190s above me.  I tend to fly lower then most.  10K is high, 5K is probably average for me.

So I tend to have to start on the defensive.  Most times the 190 guy comes screaming in from on high and blows the pass and keeps going.  If I'm lucky they'll stay and turn.

The other usual event is they'll come screaming in nose on and the cannons light up from 1.5K on in so it becomes a time to duck the HO shot.

Again there are a few guys in 190s that doesn't apply to, but thankfully I don't run into them too often

[stodd]

There are some good sticks in both, the best p38 pilot ive ran into by far is vonholtz but I dont see him much anymore. He always wins whenever I fight him but each fight is about 5min long usually its my a5 vs his P38G.

I think the 190a8 is better suited for fighting buffs then the p38's because of its cannons and armor. The 190 are better in a dive but not as good as the p38 in turning.
IMO

[hubsonfire]

The 38 is a much better plane in AH. They are similar in that they are propeller driven fighter aircraft, flown by people, using a mix of cannons and machine guns. Beyond that, I'm not really sure what similarities they share. Internal combustion engines and largely metal construction? They catch fire, shed parts, or blow up when shot? They're also arguably similar to school buses in that regard, but I would still hesitate to draw that parallel with a straight a face and any conviction.

[Widewing]

Any of the 190 Antons we have are outclassed by the P-38J or L in the game. Your best bet is the 190A-5, and it's still cannon fodder in an even-up fight. The Dora has enough speed to flee, and it will likely have to because in anything close to a Co-E meeting, it is in deep bandini.

Those who may be inclined to disagree, you can find me in the TA Tuesday thru Thursday evenings.

My regards,

Widewing

[Fianna]

Originally posted by Widewing

Those who may be inclined to disagree, you can find me in the TA Tuesday thru Thursday evenings.

You're probably a better cartoon pilot than most who would disagree, and would probably beat them if they were in the 38 and you were in the A5. A better test would be to have two zipcodes duke it out, one in each plane.

[hubsonfire]

If you can find an equally horrible 38 pilot, I'll help demonstrate the point.

[stephen]

if the fight starts hi, the 190 will be able to pick when or how he engages, even the best sticks are going to a hard time doing anything in a 38 accept turn and ho, 190 by a landslide.

a little addition for those rope a dope addicts out there, dont get sukkerd:aok

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by stephen
if the fight starts hi, the 190 will be able to pick when or how he engages, even the best sticks are going to a hard time doing anything in a 38 accept turn and ho, 190 by a landslide.

a little addition for those rope a dope addicts out there, dont get sukkerd:aok

I think Widewing has an offer for you.

And if the fight starts high and the 190 with E, you MIGHT be correct. But co E, I don't think so.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by stephen
if the fight starts hi, the 190 will be able to pick when or how he engages, even the best sticks are going to a hard time doing anything in a 38 accept turn and ho, 190 by a landslide.

a little addition for those rope a dope addicts out there, dont get sukkerd:aok

lmao
There is a great film murdr posted with your scenario. The nameless 190 A5 who I'm positive is a better stick than you. Got his arse shot off after his third attempt to engage.   I'll see if I can find it.