Turkey attacks Iraq again...

[GoldenP51]

Originally posted by Viking
Today 50 Turkish aircraft attacked Kurd villages in Northern Iraq killing people. This is not the first time Turkey attacks Iraq; since you are occupying Iraq and thus responsible for security and safety in Iraq how do Americans feel about this?

Hey...if you are from Norway you're "occupying" too


Norway: 150 troops (deployed 7/03 - withdrawn 8/06)


.....well maybe not...thanks for the support

[-tronski-]

Turkey is a popular and effective member (and leader) of the ISAF in Afghanistan, and have an excellent record of counter insurgency against the Taleban . They are also the only Muslim member of the ISAF, and allowed US forces to operate from Turkish bases from the beginning of operations against the Taleban.

And they were also far from the only member of NATO who would not actively assist in the invasion of Iraq - but still had combat troops in Afghanistan.

Even George W won't butcher the current relationship with Ankara

 Tronsky

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by KgB
Not sure about using  terrorist like activities,Israel?

USA.

[BMathis]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
USA.

You talking about our early years as a nation? (this is kind of off the related topic)

Mathis

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by bnasty
You talking about our early years as a nation? (this is kind of off the related topic)

Mathis

Yes.

[Hap]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
God, imagine that.  A country wants to rule themselves by carving it out of other countries' land and uses terrorist like activities to get there.



Who does this remind me of?  Why does it sound so familiar?

What's your beef with what America did during the 1st 150 years?

[Viking]

Originally posted by E25280
My post was in response to someone elses hypothetical.  That hypothetical was if Turkey in effect ignored their NATO allies' limitations and tried for a bona-fide landgrab in northern Iraq.

And my response to you was exactly within that context: If Turkey invades north Iraq and occupy the Kurdish parts of Iraq including the oilfields and pipeline.

You made a series of uneducated mistakes in your assumptions that Turkey would face serious repercussions if they did invade.

1. You failed to realize that NATO has no power/jurisdiction whatsoever beyond the European and North American continents (+Greece and Turkey). Turkey and the USA could very well go to war with each other, and as long as the war is fought outside Europe/America NATO has no mandate to get involved.

2. There are no provisions in the NATO Charter to expel a member nation for whatever reason. Membership is voluntary, so is leaving the alliance. If you don’t believe me read the treaty for yourself: http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm

3. You actually though that Europe and Europeans care more for the Kurds than we care for a good relationship with Turkey. That we would expel Turkish nationals!  I can assure you that if Turkey invades Iraq the worst they can expect from Europe is a couple of carefully worded diplomatic letters expressing our displeasure. Say … more of the same that we gave you people when you invaded Iraq.

Originally posted by E25280
How nice of you to try to move the goalposts for the original poster, instead of minding your own business.  Further proof you can not control your trollish nature.

I did no such thing. You’re just too dimwitted to follow a simple line of discussion.

[Viking]

Originally posted by GoldenP51
Hey...if you are from Norway you're "occupying" too


Norway: 150 troops (deployed 7/03 - withdrawn 8/06)


.....well maybe not...thanks for the support

We were there on a humanitarian mission in support of UN Resolution 1511 calling for a multinational force to help bring stability and security to Iraq after you clearly botched the job.

[BMathis]

Originally posted by Viking

1. You failed to realize that NATO has no power/jurisdiction whatsoever beyond the European and North American continents (+Greece and Turkey). Turkey and the USA could very well go to war with each other, and as long as the war is fought outside Europe/America NATO has no mandate to get involved.

You really think Turkey would go to war with the U.S.? We are allies. We share intelligence, and support each others militarys.

You have some valid points in your discussions, but IMO I don't think so.

Further, you really shouldn't bash people in your responses. Your just getting a negative response to your posts from others, which will inturn hinder your words getting through to anyone here. If they are really your honest opinion, keep it at that. Seems like you enjoy the backlash.



Mathis

[Viking]

Originally posted by bnasty
You really think Turkey would go to war with the U.S.?

No I don't think so. It was a hypothetical scenario proposed by another poster.

[Viking]

Originally posted by bnasty
Further, you really shouldn't bash people in your responses. Your just getting a negative response to your posts from others, which will inturn hinder your words getting through to anyone here. If they are really your honest opinion, keep it at that. Seems like you enjoy the backlash.

The amount of badmouthing I get on this forum is staggering. Granted, my opinions are of the controversial sort and I don't pull my punches. But you can't blame a guy for giving a little back can you?

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Hap
What's your beef with what America did during the 1st 150 years?

Promised freedom, installed the same plutocracy.  The only difference was the people who ruled.

[WMLute]

Again, and this is for SOME people who just don't seem to "get" it, I will go slow.

Turkey

Had

Permission

From

The

U.S.A.

To

Take

Military

Action

In

Northern

Iraq


And you know what?  Nobody in the U.S. gives a flip that Turkey attacks some terrorists in N. Iraq.  You know why?  Because we are pretty much "pro" killing terrorists in this country.  (Kalifornia being an exception of course)

Nobody's "mad" at Turkey.  Nobody here thinks Turkey did anything other than what we ALLOWED them to do.

[Nilsen]

What lute said

[Viking]

Originally posted by WMLute
Again, and this is for SOME people who just don't seem to "get" it, I will go slow.

Turkey

Had

Permission

From

The

U.S.A.

To

Take

Military

Action

In

Northern

Iraq

Where do you get your information?




US Denies Approving Turkey Raid

US denies backing Turkey PKK raid

US denies backing Turkish raid in Iraq


The only people saying the US approved the incursions are the Turkish authorities. The US government denies it.


Where do you get your information WMLute?