They going to pull Arnold's Republican card...

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by crockett
BS..

Go price a drug in the US then go online and price it in Canada it's the same in Mexico as well. We get charged double and sometimes triple for the "EXACT" same medicines, the reason is because our govt won't stop the price gouging.

It costs so much because the pharmaceutical companies get away with ripping us all off. Why? because the lobbyist and these companies hold more power than the people of this country.

Those other countries control the prices of goods sold in their country that are produced in the U.S. Were it not for the fact that those corporations exist in the U.S., and make a profit, those cheap drugs that the citizens of Canada and Mexico enjoy wouldn't exist at ANY price. WE are subsidizing Canada and Mexico.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by crockett
It has nothing to do with socialism and everything about doing what is right and having medical treatment that isn't dictated by profit.

It is NEVER right to steal one man's money to pay for the incompetence of another.  FOR ANY REASON.

[john9001]

the Canadian govt controls the price of drugs sold in Canada.

[lazs2]

crock-it..  how do you justify that you go on about your life choosing what you pay for...  computers.. internet service.. snacks maybe booze and cigs and cable tv and a movie now and then but...

because you refuse to pay for your health care..   It is somehow up to me to pay for it?

how do you justify taking my money to pay for your health care?

lazs

[KgB]

Originally posted by lazs2
arnie is not much of a republican... he was ten times better than the commie he was running against tho.. we really have no choices here.

Health care is not a right.    You have the right to take care of yourself.. you don't have the right to make me pay for it.  that is extortion and theft.

lazs

Agree!If you cant afford to pay for your own health ,you should die:noid

[john9001]

Arnold is married to one of the Kennedy clan, could be some political pillow talk going on.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by lazs2
crock-it..  how do you justify that you go on about your life choosing what you pay for...  computers.. internet service.. snacks maybe booze and cigs and cable tv and a movie now and then but...

because you refuse to pay for your health care..   It is somehow up to me to pay for it?

how do you justify taking my money to pay for your health care?

lazs

He's entitled to other people paying for his health care. Hillary told him so.
I hope Ahnald The Medicator works out better than Gray-out Davis did with his energy plan.

[AquaShrimp]

Healthcare for Americans? Lol that is ludicrous.  Now get your butts over to Iraq and win their civil war for them.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by crockett
In California, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has just won approval from legislators for a major health-care reform which will expand coverage to most of the state's uninsured.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7157980.stm


I bet Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave and I'm quite sure Newt Gingrich will commit suicide if Arnold is successful. Larz will likely have a heart attack..

So we have a Republican governor whom supports health care I bet they try to deport him..

And THIS is how he's gonna pay for it:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=222318

[BiGBMAW]

we have universal healthcare already....

they would even save croks life..when he shows up in the ER from being Beach slapped at the local pub

[Gunthr]

The government has shown that it cannot possibly run anything efficiently. Imagine the current level of bureaucracy in the government trying to run health care, when for profit corporations cannot truly control costs. Nothing besides disaster will result.  

So true... imagine walking into your local Division of Motor Vehicles and trying to get some immediate attention...  sorry, take a number, have a seat...  these are the same people who will be providing your health care.  Want to complain about it?  take another number...

[crockett]

Originally posted by john9001
the Canadian govt controls the price of drugs sold in Canada.

And a a result their medications are affordable and the citizens of their country have the "choice" of having private medical care or govt provided care.

You think it's ok that hospitals charge $5 or more for a freaking aspirin here in the US? Any other industry price gouging like that would not be acceptable.

You think the power company could get away with charging us 5000% more than what it costs them to produce the power? Can your local city get away with charging you 5000% more for water? what about the local gas company could they get away with it?

These are all examples on things that the govt helps control the prices on. You think heating oil companies would get away with jacking up the price of oil by 5000% over the fair market price? Hell no the govt would be all over it.

Yet pharmaceutical companies and hospitials get away with it and people die every year because they can't afford the medication that would save their live or give them a better quality of life. However somehow it's everyone else's fault because I guess they can't afford it.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Gunthr
So true... imagine walking into your local Division of Motor Vehicles and trying to get some immediate attention...  sorry, take a number, have a seat...  these are the same people who will be providing your health care.  Want to complain about it?  take another number...

I guess you have never waited in your doctor's office. Funny anytime I've seen a doctor I'd say on average I've waited 30mins in the lobby.. Then if I'm lucky another 20 mins in the private room.

Guess waiting at the tag off isn't so bad. Hell I just renewed my tag last month and I only waited about 15 mins. Damn the man!.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by crockett
And that's the exact reason why govt should be involved and why big business shouldn't be controlling what doctors can or can't do.

It's a conflict of intrest to have a company whom has to make a profit but is also the deciding factor on if a patent gets treated or not. If a company makes a profit should not dictate whom gets treatment and who doesn't or what medicine a doctor can or cant' prescribe.

Big part of the problem isnt just the insurance companies deciding what treatments are given. Which yes is a problem.
But also in just getting the insurance companies to actually pay up on treatment they agreed to pay for in the first place and dont.

I knew a nun who used to run the finance dept at a hospital.
And one of her biggest complaints was in just getting the insurace companies to just pay up on money they actually owed.

Seems agreeing to pay for treament ius one thing.
them actually sending the money to pay for the treament they agree to pay for is an entirely different matter.
And I know just for that hospital alone ten years ago the debt owed to it by insurance companies ran in the double digit millions.

[crockett]

Originally posted by lazs2
crock-it..  how do you justify that you go on about your life choosing what you pay for...  computers.. internet service.. snacks maybe booze and cigs and cable tv and a movie now and then but...

because you refuse to pay for your health care..   It is somehow up to me to pay for it?
lazs

First off what makes you think I don't have insurance. I didn't say anywhere in here that I don't have insurance. I didn't say I refuse to pay for insurance. I also don't drink other than socially and I don't smoke.

Quit pulling your assumptions out of your arus, much like everything else you tend to say.

I do have medical insurance for emergency cases but I choose not to pay for things like prescription coverage. You want to know why?

I'll tell you. I was paying $400+ (think it was $120ish week) a month for full health coverage through one of the largest insurance companies in this country. I went to the Doctor about a year or so back to get a prescription.

The doctor gave me two prescriptions in which I needed both. Guess what the insurance company turned down the coverage for 1 of the two.  That medicine here in the US cost me $137.00 for a little 60gram tube of ointment for psoriasis.

Yet in Canada where prices are regulated, I could buy the exact same medication 60grams for $65.00 or 120 grams for $124.00.

So there I was paying over $100 a week for full coverage and Im' a pretty healthy person whom rarely ever has to go to the doctor. Yet after all that paying with no insurance claims. I couldn't get a simple prescription filled.

So Lard maybe you are dumb enough to pay for something that you never get, but Im' sure as hell not going to do it. So that's why I ask for the govt to step in. Because the private sector has show it CAN NOT be trusted to provide quality and fair service.

In our country it's not the doctor whom decides what treatments you will get. It's the suites at your insurance company whom pick profit over people's health.

Originally posted by lazs2
how do you justify taking my money to pay for your health care?
lazs [/B]

Funny you should ask that.. You know what I don't support the war in Iraq, yet my tax dollars are paying for it.  I don't like George Bush.. Yet my tax dollars pay for his bellybutton to fly all over the world in Air Force one.

I don't like most of my govt, but my tax dollars pay their salaries so they can screw us over. I can't think of the last time I had to call the police for protection yet my tax dollars pay for police. Same can be said for the Fire Department.

There are a hell of a lot of things that I may not like that my govt does, but guess what my tax dollars pay for it. So you know what, I'd say after all the years I've paid my taxes, well I should damn sure have the ability to get what every other non third world country in the west has..

That's affordable health care, if you haven't figured that out yet.