Government Paranoia?

[Tigeress]

Government Paranoia?

I just saw a CNN news piece this morning about wholesale confiscation of all privately own guns in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

I'm not a gun owner and never have been but I am totally appalled at this action.

Why does the government fear legal gun owners to the point of illegally disarming them at a time they need personal protection the most?

This is very scary...

Thank goodness the NRA is holding authorities feet to the fire in court.

If the ACLU is all about civil liberties, where are they in this?

Seems one of the biggest dangers one can face in a disaster like Katrina is the authorities themselves.

I have read so many horror stories about how people were treated by the government...

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

The aclu is full of commie snakes who's agenda does not allow for a free people.

They claim that they feel that the second only gives the government the right to arm it's army.. that the right of the government to arm itself shall not be infringed.

If people can defend themselves in a riot or when civilizations thin veneer peels away.. then why do we need government?   that is what they are thinking.   You don't want people to think that they can live without governments "help" now do you?

lazs

[Mickey1992]

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[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
The aclu is full of commie snakes who's agenda does not allow for a free people.

They claim that they feel that the second only gives the government the right to arm it's army.. that the right of the government to arm itself shall not be infringed.

If people can defend themselves in a riot or when civilizations thin veneer peels away.. then why do we need government?   that is what they are thinking.   You don't want people to think that they can live without governments "help" now do you?

lazs

For the ACLU to be two-faced and not take a stand on the robbing of legally armed people of their only real means of defense pretty much points to them as a political front.

Some of the threads here seriously opened my eyes... along with situations like Katrina and 911.

I mean… this like having a battery back up for your computer but it is only guaranteed to be a back-up so long as it isn't needed.

Seems the government is more intent on protecting itself at the expense of the public than serving the public at the expense of itself.

I will never forgive the President of the failures of FEMA.

Additionally, Police authorities disarming the public is more than a disgrace… its criminal, in my view.

I hope the NRA prevails on this suit and although I doubt that anyone will be held accountable from the government, hopefully legislation might be forth coming to clarify you guy's right to your legal and licensed guns in the event of a national level disaster.

TIGERESS

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Tigeress
I will never forgive the President of the failures of FEMA.
TIGERESS

Funny, the failures of FEMA are laid solely at the feet of George W. Bush. Amazing how ONLY Bush is at fault. No blame at all for the mayor or the governor. Just Bush.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Funny, the failures of FEMA are laid solely at the feet of George W. Bush. Amazing how ONLY Bush is at fault. No blame at all for the mayor or the governor. Just Bush.

It isn't a Bush thing in particular, although I do think he is just a puppet... but I think it is much bigger than the man called Bush.

I suspect the same thing would have happened had anyone else been in office.

Notice I said... "the President"

There is something fatally flawed in the office of the president, in my view.
The office of the President is tasked with real time command and control.

TIGERESS

[Tango]

Originally posted by Tigeress
I will never forgive the President of the failures of FEMA.

Ask people that live down here who is more to blame and they will tell you Blanco and Nagan. They were the ones that dragged thier feet in getting people to leave before the storm.

Sure FEMA didn't do a great job, but it was kind of difficult when there were thousands of people left stranded by the mayor and gov. that had to be located and rescued that could have been bused out earlier. Not to mention the rampant gangs that were already infesting the town who were running around shooting at all the people trying to help.

Many of the areas down there were nothing more than a cess pool that the corrupt politicians have done nothing to fix or clean up. So when all the crap hit the fan they figured "Oh, we'll confiscate all the guns". Of course it didn't stop the criminals from terrorizing the stranded citizens or the rescuers since thier guns are unregistered.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Tango
Ask people that live down here who is more to blame and they will tell you Blanco and Nagan. They were the ones that dragged thier feet in getting people to leave before the storm.

Sure FEMA didn't do a great job, but it was kind of difficult when there were thousands of people left stranded by the mayor and gov. that had to be located and rescued that could have been bused out earlier. Not to mention the rampant gangs that were already infesting the town who were running around shooting at all the people trying to help.

Many of the areas down there were nothing more than a cess pool that the corrupt politicians have done nothing to fix or clean up. So when all the crap hit the fan they figured "Oh, we'll confiscate all the guns". Of course it didn't stop the criminals from terrorizing the stranded citizens or the rescuers since thier guns are unregistered.

Yes... of course. Government broke down from bottom to top.

I watched it unfold... from a safe distance and made donations to help the victims.

We don't often think of all the responsibilities elected officials may be tasked with when deciding to vote.

What blows me away is the massive assumptive characterization of legally licensed gun owners as risks instead of assets. I don't think this thinking is going to change even with defenders like Jeanne Assam, and the like.

Perhaps a new relationship can be forged between gun owners and authorities to officially sign off on their acceptance as members of the good guy squad by the authorities? Like a reserve militia or something with offical emergency don't take this gun IDs?

This seems an issue of unwarrented paranoia. How to resolve that?

TIGERESS

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Tigeress
It isn't a Bush thing in particular, although I do think he is just a puppet... but I think it is much bigger than the man called Bush.

I suspect the same thing would have happened had anyone else been in office.

Notice I said... "the President"

There is something fatally flawed in the office of the president, in my view.
The office of the President is tasked with real time command and control.

TIGERESS

One man, President or not, cannot directly command everything. He must delegate authority. It is not direct command, by any stretch, but rather a chain. A chain, only as strong as its weakest link.

You know, FEMA evidently didn't do too bad in Florida. But the President gets no accolades for that. And yet he gets blamed when FEMA supposedly fails in Louisiana. The only thing that changed was the state and who ran it.

[Tango]

I have a buddy who is a fireman in Shreveport. He told me they were yelling for volunteers to go down and help with rescues and they were going to go down UNTIL they were told that they were NOT allowed to come armed.

He said only a handfull from some of the other stations in town went and came back a couple of days later, disgusted. Seemed all the State Police wanted them to do was hand out water and food at the rescue stations instead of going out with thier rescue boats which they brought down with them. Seemed they couldn't go out because they didn't have enough police or guardsman to go out with them for protection.

[Tango]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
You know, FEMA evidently didn't do too bad in Florida. But the President gets no accolades for that. And yet he gets blamed when FEMA supposedly fails in Louisiana. The only thing that changed was the state and who ran it.

Mississippi didn't have any problems either and it was hit FAR worse. Of course they didn't have all the armed gangs running around and the governor confiscating the citizens guns.

[yankedudel]

I blame no one for the tragedy in New Orleans except for the citizens themselves.  They live in a city BELOW sea level.  They KNEW that a category 5 hurricane was on the way.  Even if it was not going to hit the Louisiana coast directly a Cat 5 storm would have caused major damage to low lying areas all along the Gulf Coast.  Why would you stay in the city?  

These people did NOTHING for the 2-3 days that they knew the storm was on a direct path toward them.  Then they screamed and yelled and wanted handouts and DEBIT CARDS and blamed everyone but themselves... after shooting at helicopters trying to save them.

Don't try and say they had no way to get out.  You can WALK a mile in 12-20 minutes if no one is willing to help transport you.

All everyone talks about is New Orleans when taling about Katrina.  I don't hear all of the bleeding hearts crying over Mississippi.  They are picking up and moving on not whining for handouts and dwelling on the past.

Just my $.02

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
One man, President or not, cannot directly command everything. He must delegate authority. It is not direct command, by any stretch, but rather a chain. A chain, only as strong as its weakest link.

You know, FEMA evidently didn't do too bad in Florida. But the President gets no accolades for that. And yet he gets blamed when FEMA supposedly fails in Louisiana. The only thing that changed was the state and who ran it.

I understand Captain. Yes, presiding over that chain of command is understood. We don't know how good it is till it is really used.

If the office of president can not preside over command and control in a civil disaster then what happens when the Islamists detonate a nuke?

Also is it unrealistic to expect that office to really be the real time  Commander In Chief of the Armed Forces?

Someone has to be in charge real time, thus responsible, don't they?

Brown was simply an unqualified low key appointee and was admittedly not up to the task.  I felt so so sorry for him.

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by yankedudel
I blame no one for the tragedy in New Orleans except for the citizens themselves.  They live in a city BELOW sea level.  They KNEW that a category 5 hurricane was on the way.  Even if it was not going to hit the Louisiana coast directly a Cat 5 storm would have caused major damage to low lying areas all along the Gulf Coast.  Why would you stay in the city?  

These people did NOTHING for the 2-3 days that they knew the storm was on a direct path toward them.  Then they screamed and yelled and wanted handouts and DEBIT CARDS and blamed everyone but themselves... after shooting at helicopters trying to save them.

Don't try and say they had no way to get out.  You can WALK a mile in 12-20 minutes if no one is willing to help transport you.

All everyone talks about is New Orleans when taling about Katrina.  I don't hear all of the bleeding hearts crying over Mississippi.  They are picking up and moving on not whining for handouts and dwelling on the past.

Just my $.02

I know just what you mean... people often talk about Iraq and not the men and women in Afganistan. Also, the WTC and not the victims in the Pentagon or the crashed jet that did not make it to a target.

Perhaps NO is simply a focus point for people.

What happened in Gulfport, MS and else where was just as horrible as was what happened to NO.

Were not the citizens of NO told again and again the dams and dykes were up to par and would hold?

Anyways... the thread is really about vilified legal gun owners in NO being relieved of their means of self-defense.

Seems self-defense is only allowed when things are normal.

TIGERESS

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Tigeress
I understand Captain.

If the office of president can not preside over command and control in a civil disaster then what happens when the Islamists detonate a nuke?

Also is it unrealistic to expect that office to really be the real time  Commander In Chief of the Armed Forces?

Someone has to be in charge real time, thus responsible, don't they?

Brown was simply an unqualified low key appointee and was admittedly not up to the task.  I felt so so sorry for him.

TIGERESS

The law at the time REQUIRED that Louisiana and New Orleans specifically ask for help from FEMA and the Federal Government.  Bush, and the Federal Government, couldn't so much have handed out a single bottle of water until Ray Nagin and that other handsomehunk (who's name I forget currently) ASKED for it.

They only asked for help 5 DAYS TO A WEEK after the initial hit.


Brown didn't do that bad of a job.  But when you analyze it you have to remember that the entire socialist system came crashing down in a glorious ball of flames all at once.  Brown showed up and was expected to clean up not only after the hurricane, but after the decades of Democrats raping the land.