Author Topic: Spitfires (Read 3286 times)

RTHolmes · « **Reply #15 on:** December 30, 2007, 09:01:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Greebo
In general terms...

great analysis

about those .303s, I havent really been using them untill a week ago when I was chatting with a squaddie and said they were a bit useless. he said that used properly they were like the minigun of wwII!
set convergence at D200-250, only use em at D200-250 and in a turn fight its like taking a chainsaw to the other plane

so they can be very effective (high RoF + high muzzle V + lots of ammo?)

DarkglamJG52 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 30, 2007, 10:54:06 AM »

Ty Greebo.

Widewing · « **Reply #17 on:** December 30, 2007, 11:29:46 AM »

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Originally posted by DarkglamJG52
Two questions for you big master of Hellcats from a new Hellcat fan:

1) The F4U-1A is a problem for you 1vs1 with = E and how fight against this anti-stall plane?

2) Best book about F6F?

~~and sorry for my english.~~

Greebo covered the issues vs the F4U... The Hellcat suffers an odd instability in its roll axis. This gives the F4U an advantage in a flaps out stall fight. Given equal pilots, the F4U will win more than lose. Hopefully, HTC will fix this oddity and adjust the F6F-5's speed curve to reflect the gobs of test data available.

As to the books... A good history of the F6F was written by Barrett Tillman. Barrett is a good guy, very meticulous and skilled at writing an entertaining story. His book is titled Hellcat: The F6F in World War Two. It is published by the Naval Institute Press in soft cover, ISBN 1-55750-991-3. It can be found on Amazon. Here's a link.

My regards,

Widewing

Badboy · « **Reply #18 on:** December 30, 2007, 01:46:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
As to the books... A good history of the F6F was written by Barrett Tillman. Barrett is a good guy, very meticulous and skilled at writing an entertaining story. His book is titled Hellcat: The F6F in World War Two. It is published by the Naval Institute Press in soft cover, ISBN 1-55750-991-3.

I have a hardback copy of that book on my shelves, so far I've only used it for reference, but after your recommendation I think I'll give it a proper read.

Thanks.

Badboy

splitatom · « **Reply #19 on:** December 30, 2007, 02:29:35 PM »

spit 8 and seafire are the only spits i fly spit 8 has long range:aok

Karnak · « **Reply #20 on:** December 30, 2007, 02:52:28 PM »

Greebo,

All Spitfires in AH use 100 Octane fuel. The Mk VIII and XVI have higher boost ratings due to their Merlin 66 and Merlin 266 engines compared to the Merlin 61 in the Mk IX. On 100 Octane fuel the 66 and 266 have a boost limit of +18lbs, the 61 has a boost limit of +15lbs. With 150 Octane the 66 and 266 have a boost limit of +25lbs and the Griffon 65 in the Mk XIV has a limit of +21lbs. I am unaware of any tests to determine the boost limit of the 61 on 150 Octane.

Greebo · « **Reply #21 on:** December 30, 2007, 03:13:23 PM »

Thanks Karnak, my bad. I'll look out for that book Widewing.

VansCrew1 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 30, 2007, 03:33:37 PM »

spitfires are made of Lego's. Their wings pop right off.

RTHolmes · « **Reply #23 on:** December 30, 2007, 04:17:44 PM »

^ true, they dont take damage well

splitatom · « **Reply #24 on:** December 30, 2007, 06:54:50 PM »

one of my legoes broke i decapitated it for real i could not repair it

VansCrew1 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 30, 2007, 07:14:18 PM »

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Originally posted by splitatom
one of my legoes broke i decapitated it for real i could not repair it

MjTalon · « **Reply #26 on:** December 30, 2007, 07:16:23 PM »

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Originally posted by VansCrew1

Think he means one of his leg broke, so he cut it off

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SgtPappy · « **Reply #27 on:** December 30, 2007, 09:13:22 PM »

The Spitfire VIII is truly the best overall in-game.
There's not too much too complain about with it, though compared to a IX the VIII actually maneuvers worse ... marginally. Those who fly Spitfires religiously know that well. Just dont forget a DT.

I personally like the Spitfire V the best. challenging yet still fun. It really shuts up the HOiccane drivers. as WW once put it, its only, if not, main disadvantage is its speed. I'd welcome a Spitfire Vc with the standard 1942 Merlin boost of +16 lbs. .. like in AH:I.

The XVI in real life had some 1000' difference concerning the 2nd stage supercharger kick-in/kick-out vs. the LF IX or the LF VIII (which we have in-game) but I don't know much about the AH:II Spixteen since i don't fly it much except on field-cratering runs.

Even if they do manage to fix the odd stall on the Hellcat, the Corsair's still going to be able to outrun and out-accelerate the Hellcat

through energy fights will be more interesting.

splitatom · « **Reply #28 on:** December 30, 2007, 09:29:13 PM »

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Originally posted by MjTalon
Think he means one of his leg broke, so he cut it off .

read or get a beter vocabulary i said decapitate which meads no head:( that sad aa you lost your account we will miss you and o ya your entire squadron changed teams and the reson i have a sad face is that you have a bad vocabulary

BaldEagl · « **Reply #29 on:** December 31, 2007, 12:03:25 PM »

As a long-time Spit dweeb here's my observations:

Spit XIV: I'll address this one first as it's unusual among the Spit family. The XIV loves altitude. Above 23K it's at it's best. It's actually got a performance flat-spot between ~20-23K but once over that it really shines and is among the fastest high-alt planes.

It's got a high power/high torque Griffon engine which rotates in the opposite direction of other Spits. Because of this you need to remember your best turn rates are in the opposite direction of the other models but it's not the turner that the other Spits are. Because of this you see it used in a B'n'Z role a lot.

Spit XVI: Probably the best of the family for LW MA action. It does everything well (near the top of the plane set) so there's always a strength you can exploit against another planes weaknesses.

Aside from the XIV it has the most power of the Spit's. It has 2x.50's instead of the 4x.303's of most of the other models (this is the better gun package) and it's clipped wings help it's roll rate a lot.

Spit VIII: Virtually equivalent in performance to the XVI the VIII carries more fuel but trades the .50's for the .303's. With full wings it doesn't roll as well as the XVI but it's more forgiving in a low speed stall fight where the XVI has a tendancy to snap-roll.

Spit IX: Maybe the "purest" Spit. It doesn't have quite the power of the VIII or the XVI and still carries the .303's but it's silky-smooth handling make up for it's deficiencies.

Seafire MkII: Carrier-based and pobably closest to the IX among the family but there's really no reason to take this out of the hanger unless your taking off from a carrier. If you are and you like the Spit's it's a fine choice.

Spit V: Underpowered compared to those above the V is the best turner among the non-carborated Spits and will turn with nearly anything in the game. If furballing is your thing, where speed, acceleration and climb rate are less important than pure turning ability this is the Spit to choose.

Spit I: Carborated, the Spit I's engine will cut out under negative G loading. Not to worry, it will re-fire on it's own once back in a positive G state unless you've starved the fuel supply (pulled negative G's too long), then you'll have to manually re-fire it. Unlike any of the other Spits this one has no cannon, but 8x.303's are like buzzsaws in close and it is the best turner of the family. Choose this one for the challenge or for perk-farming.