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Offline SteveBailey

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« Reply #105 on: January 03, 2008, 06:13:21 PM »
I did find this though for 2006 in the UCR

Violent crime in Phoenix 2005:  10691
Violent crime in Phoenix 2006:  11194

Increase of 4.7 %





Violent crime in Maricopa County 2005: not reporting?
Violent crime in Maricopa County 2006:   850

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« Reply #106 on: January 03, 2008, 06:17:25 PM »
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Increase of 4.7 %
I was comparing all, violent and property crimes, that is, increase from 2000 to 2006 and increase in population for the same period.

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« Reply #107 on: January 03, 2008, 06:18:42 PM »
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I was comparing all, violent and property crimes, that is, increase from 2000 to 2006 and increase in population for the same period.


I understand.  There was no category for "all crimes" on the table I viewed.

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« Reply #108 on: January 03, 2008, 06:19:04 PM »
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Violent crime in Maricopa County 2005: not reporting?
Listed in stats for 2006 (comparison table) (they switched from FY to CY reporting)

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« Reply #109 on: January 03, 2008, 06:21:34 PM »
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I understand.  There was no category for "all crimes" on the table I viewed.
Right on the top is summary for all crimes (listed as "TOTAL VIOLENT AND PROPERTY CRIMES") in both docs

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« Reply #110 on: January 03, 2008, 06:22:09 PM »
Weird, you said that crime went up 12.7% yet in the very link you posted, Maricopa county said:  Selected Adult Felony Filings have decreased from 2005 to 2006 by 1%.

Edit: Wait... you are going from 2000-2006 right?

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« Reply #111 on: January 03, 2008, 06:23:03 PM »
Bighorn, no offense intended sir but until you linked to the PPD UCR stats, you had not brought any concrete referenced information to this thread. Your initial post with the DA numbers was in a different font with the words "Maricopa County District Attny's Office" at the bottom. Sorry, that means diddly to me unless there is somewhere that the DA's office puts it and you link to it. I think thats where you lost me and fired up Steve. Looking at the UCR data you linked, I hardly see how it has anything to do with the Sheriffs performance, approval ratings or successes in lowering crime in Maricopa County (Phoenix included). I see a population jump from 1.2 mil to almost 1.6 mil in those stats and see that the City of Phoenix Police has done a fine job in their attempts to keep crime at bay. Link to something concrete that says that Sheriff doesn't deserve the publics 85% approval rating. That would be interesting.

It's very hard for me, a former police officer and DRE, to really take anything Bongaroo says seriously. Maybe its the redundant reference to Marijuana in your CPID and BBS name; maybe your avatar. Regardless, it's ironic that you display your support for an illegal substance and all of the illegal immigrants you've worked with were cool to you. I see the link.

Illegal immigrants have ruined many things in this valley. The neighborhood where I grew up is in shambles, riddled with nightly shootings and drop house raids and is a hot bed for illegal drugs and stolen property. You may contact my good friend Butch if you need to know how bad it is. He can be reached at:

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« Reply #112 on: January 03, 2008, 06:32:26 PM »
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Bighorn, no offense intended sir but until you linked to the PPD UCR stats, you had not brought any concrete referenced information to this thread. Your initial post with the DA numbers was in a different font with the words "Maricopa County District Attny's Office" at the bottom. Sorry, that means diddly to me unless there is somewhere that the DA's office puts it and you link to it. I think thats where you lost me and fired up Steve. Looking at the UCR data you linked, I hardly see how it has anything to do with the Sheriffs performance, approval ratings or successes in lowering crime in Maricopa County (Phoenix included). I see a population jump from 1.2 mil to almost 1.6 mil in those stats and see that the City of Phoenix Police has done a fine job in their attempts to keep crime at bay. Link to something concrete that says that Sheriff doesn't deserve the publics 85% approval rating. That would be interesting.
Honestly, I made exception and posted links for Steve, since he said he has trouble finding them.

I'd suggest you visit that web site and read as I did. If you come to different conclusions that's OK, but at least it'll be based on facts rather than PR

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It's very hard for me, a former police officer and DRE, to really take anything Bongaroo says seriously. Maybe its the redundant reference to Marijuana in your CPID and BBS name; maybe your avatar. Regardless, it's ironic that you display your support for an illegal substance and all of the illegal immigrants you've worked with were cool to you. I see the link.  
I have no connections with Bongaroo, nor did I reference any of his posts.

Now, how you link me and illegal substance is mystery to me.

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« Reply #113 on: January 03, 2008, 06:37:20 PM »
I apologize BigHorn, I didn't mean a link between you and bangaroo. I mean a link between his many positive experiences with Illegal Immigrants and his super lust for an illegal substance.

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« Reply #114 on: January 03, 2008, 06:42:43 PM »
Repo, I would like to ask, though, is there an organizational difference between the Phoenix PD and the Maricopa Co. SD? If PPD is a branch of the SD, then I can see some credit going to Arapajo; But if PPD is a seperate/municipal entity, then PPD would deserve credit for the lowering of any crime rate in Phoenix Metro, right?

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« Reply #115 on: January 03, 2008, 06:49:07 PM »
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Repo, I would like to ask, though, is there an organizational difference between the Phoenix PD and the Maricopa Co. SD? If PPD is a branch of the SD, then I can see some credit going to Arapajo; But if PPD is a seperate/municipal entity, then PPD would deserve credit for the lowering of any crime rate in Phoenix Metro, right?
Works the same way as in Kern County and similar to BPD and Kern Sheriff, they do share some resources and they do cooperate in some matters...

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« Reply #116 on: January 03, 2008, 06:51:54 PM »
I hear ya there, Bighorn. I can remember Carl Sparks' getting credit for some of the things' that the BPD really did on it's own...

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« Reply #117 on: January 03, 2008, 06:59:29 PM »
Of course there is Frode. MCSO is county government; PPD is city (municipal) government. I would agree with your interjection but I believe it should be directed to BigHorn as he posted both agency's stats. As I said in my initial post to BigHorn,

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Looking at the UCR data you linked, I hardly see how it has anything to do with the Sheriffs performance, approval ratings or successes in lowering crime in Maricopa County (Phoenix included). I see a population jump from 1.2 mil to almost 1.6 mil in those stats and see that the City of Phoenix Police has done a fine job in their attempts to keep crime at bay. Link to something concrete that says that Sheriff doesn't deserve the publics 85% approval rating. That would be interesting.


I am asking, in short, for someone to show me why the Sheriff doesn't deserve the approval rating he currently has.

Interesting thought though; if Sheriff Joe's methods lower crime in Maricopa County, wouldn't that, by proxy, lower the crime in Phoenix as Phoenix is inside Maricopa County?
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« Reply #118 on: January 03, 2008, 07:10:03 PM »
He stopped deserving praise for the good things he did when he got rotten like so many other people in such positions of power.
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« Reply #119 on: January 03, 2008, 07:16:45 PM »
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Of course there is Frode. MCSO is county government; PPD is city (municipal) government. I would agree with your interjection but I believe it should be directed to BigHorn as he posted both agency's stats. As I said in my initial post to BigHorn,

 

I am asking, in short, for someone to show me why the Sheriff doesn't deserve the approval rating he currently has.

Interesting thought though; if Sheriff Joe's methods lower crime in Maricopa County, wouldn't that, by proxy, lower the crime in Phoenix as Phoenix is inside Maricopa County?


I hear ya there...That's a good question. The stat's in that case would have to be first split by jurisdiction, then compared, to see if there was any drastic change in reduction....