Author Topic: Obama Wins Iowa Caucus (Read 3552 times)

bsdaddict · « **Reply #45 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:19:26 AM »

yeah, aside from promising to screw up health care he really didn't say all that much...

Wotan · « **Reply #46 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:24:35 AM »

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It read like meaningless gibberish. No content at all. I highly recommend turning off your TV set to clearly see that "blah, blah, blah" means blah, blah blah, and nothing more.

That's how all his 'speeches' are. Go back to the last Democrat Convention.

Folks seem easily impressed by a well spoken non-threatening black man even though he never really says much.

Dadano · « **Reply #47 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:36:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
I read that Obama's speech was "historic" and will be remembered for generations to come, so I read the transcript.

It read like meaningless gibberish. No content at all. I highly recommend turning off your TV set to clearly see that "blah, blah, blah" means blah, blah blah, and nothing more.

Point taken. Go ahead and turn back on the TV and try and appreciate how incredibly articulate Obama is. Look no further than Germany 1933 to see how effective expression can bring people together.

lazs2 · « **Reply #48 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:52:56 AM »

osamabama is even left of hillary.

I can't believe that so many feel that we have to be punished by having the stooges in washington take even more of our money in taxes away from us.

I can't believe some gun owners are simply sitting around hoping that an osamabama won't take "to many" of their guns away from em.

I hear a lot about a mormon thompson ticket.. I think it would be a winner.

Ron paul, unfortunately.. did about as I would have expected.

I think it is a good sign that a liberal republican like the new york scumbag didn't do well.

When you guys start to study osamabamas voting record I think that you will see it doesn't matter how much you want to look unbigotted or how easy a warm voice calms you.

We need to raise taxes? Unbelievable.. course.. I understand that you guys mean that we need to raise taxes on everyone making more than you tho... Just as short sighted as you look.

lazs

Charon · « **Reply #49 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:53:12 AM »

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I believe Obama to be the pure change candidate (aside from Paul). We don't need experience. We need change.

He's a member of the Illinois democratic machine, groomed by Dick Durbin for greater things who, unexpectedly, was presented with the opportunity for greater things much earlier than anticipated. His very limited voting record to date suggests little independence from that of those who promote him. He does have charisma and talks a good line though.

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Yet it is also startling to see how quickly Obama’s senatorship has been woven into the web of institutionalized influence-trading that afflicts official Washington. He quickly established a political machine funded and run by a standard Beltway group of lobbyists, P.R. consultants, and hangers-on...

...All of this has forged a political culture that is intrinsically hostile to reform. On condition of anonymity, one Washington lobbyist I spoke with was willing to point out the obvious: that big donors would not be helping out Obama if they didn’t see him as a “player.” The lobbyist added: “What’s the dollar value of a starry-eyed idealist?”
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275

It will be interesting to see if the whole Tony Rezko thing gets traction now.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/16/AR2006121600729_2.html

Charon

Charon · « **Reply #50 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:57:50 AM »

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Ron paul, unfortunately.. did about as I would have expected.

Paul actually did very well, as such things go. As good as I had hoped he would do, with plenty of opportunity to improve. I still don't see him winning, but it was a strong showing at this point and one that will make him somewhat harder to ignore.

Charon

Dadano · « **Reply #51 on:** January 04, 2008, 11:03:11 AM »

Point taken on his voting record and limited experience Charon.

Heya Laz. How can we get this budget back to a reasonable state? Do we need to?

lazs2 · « **Reply #52 on:** January 04, 2008, 11:10:34 AM »

we can get the budget back to a reasonable state by not spending so much.

Do we need to? well.. we need to reign it in some but we are not that bad off.. that is according to the economists I read.. I don't believe it.. I would love to cut the scumbags in washington off... make em balance the budget without raising taxes on the middle class..

Yep.. that's right.. every time they say raise taxes on the rich.. your taxes go up. I don't know how they keep finding more people to by into the "tax the rich and we will give the money to you" scam.. guess it is true that there is a new one born every second.

charon.. I don't think that pauls numbers were any big deal.. they put him squarely in the has been area.

lazs

Shuffler · « **Reply #53 on:** January 04, 2008, 11:14:39 AM »

Hill has no chance.... on the other hand.... no one really cares what anyone in IOWA wants. This is just for the paparazzi types like cnn, fox and the new york times.

Reschke · « **Reply #54 on:** January 04, 2008, 11:45:38 AM »

We need a civil war...that is what we need....and to answer an earlier question I do believe that some fool or fools will take a chance at putting a bullet or bomb on either Obama or Clinton if one of them makes it into the office or even before then.

If that happens all legal gun owners like myself are royally screwed then and there will not be one thing we can do about it.

lazs2 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 04, 2008, 11:53:33 AM »

you did get the gist of it tho.. the only guns the politician scumbags want to get rid or are the ones that might get aimed at them.

Which just about means all of em. The reason other countries are so interested in us is because as long as there is even one gun in the world that they don't control... someone might take em out of the game.

lazs

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #56 on:** January 04, 2008, 12:23:46 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
you did get the gist of it tho.. the only guns the politician scumbags want to get rid or are the ones that might get aimed at them.

Which just about means all of em. The reason other countries are so interested in us is because as long as there is even one gun in the world that they don't control... someone might take em out of the game.

lazs

I would add, that once they can effectively disable the 2nd Amendment, then that gives them the ability to go after the others...The 2nd is arguably the most vulnerable. But after that, most likely would be free speech.

Reschke · « **Reply #57 on:** January 04, 2008, 12:27:19 PM »

"Blaming guns for crime is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'Donnel's obesity." by Travis McGee

lazs2 · « **Reply #58 on:** January 04, 2008, 12:29:09 PM »

frode we agree. I just wish I could get you to see that the more money you give government the more they use it to take away your rights.

lazs

Eagler · « **Reply #59 on:** January 04, 2008, 12:32:13 PM »

so is every dem in Iowa black? Otherwise how can a black muslim dude win in farm country?