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« on: January 05, 2008, 07:56:06 PM »
I'm actually surprised the whole deal with Fox not inviting Ron Paul to the debates hasn't been more of an issue. I figured all those RP supporters would be out there in mass telling people to boycott Fox.

While I'm not a RP fan boy, I do think Fox is trying to keep him out of the way. Specially when he did better than Thompson and he's invited.

The New Hampshire Republican Party dropped their affiliation with a Republican debate sponsored by Fox News tomorrow night because they have limited the number of candidates that can participate.

“The first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary serves a national purpose by giving all candidates an equal opportunity on a level playing field," said Republican chair Fergus Cullen. "Only in New Hampshire do lesser known, lesser funded underdogs have a fighting chance to establish themselves as national figures."

The Fox debate is excluding Texas Congressman Ron Paul even though he polls higher in New Hampshire and has raised significantly more money, and is campaigning more in New Hampshire than Fred Thompson who is invited.


http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2008/01/nh_gop_drops_sp.html
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2008, 08:17:51 PM »
"The first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary serves a national purpose by giving all candidates an equal opportunity on a level playing field"

TxMom would say this is right, that underdogs don't deserve to be heard, that only people who speak the truth and are best able to fill presidential functions would have the money, popularity and backing (i.e. greased cogs) to be favored by Fox & co to feature in their debates.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2008, 08:25:35 PM »
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"The first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary serves a national purpose by giving all candidates an equal opportunity on a level playing field"

TxMom would say this is right, that underdogs don't deserve to be heard, that only people who speak the truth and are best able to fill presidential functions would have the money, popularity and backing (i.e. greased cogs) to be favored by Fox & co to feature in their debates.


Well then why is Thompson invited? I'm not a RP fan boy, but it was pretty clear even before the Iowa caucus that RP had more money and support than Thompson. Yet Fox choose to invite Thompson and not RP.

Seems to me Fox has more than over stepped their bounds of trying to push the candidate whom they choose and not the others. RP has raised a hell of a lot of money considering that most of his money has come from average citizens rather that big corporations.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2008, 08:30:15 PM »
The media won't give RP the attention he deserves because he will not dance to any corporate tune.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2008, 08:30:16 PM »
Pretty convenient for you to misconstrue my previously stated opinion to fit nicely into your little post.:rofl   btw, it's also an incorrect assumption that I would believe that.

(*edit* did you just call me a snob??? :lol )
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2008, 08:54:33 PM »
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bj229r - Some candidates are less equal than others?

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Absolutely ~ all by personal opinion, of course. Hence: the reason you each select one candidate as your choice over the others (that's where the voting part comes in).

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In that case you're saying something like Fox News is impartial enough to decide for people who they should have the choice to vote for, or in this case who they see and hear debate with the rest of the candidates, as well as take it upon themselves to hamper the campaign of the candidates they think are less equal.
There's nothing impartial about Fox News, and the only reason you support their choice is because it favors your opinion.  Your sense of impartiality's what's sub-standard here..

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Not at all. It's not the responsibility of Fox News (or any of the other TV channels, for that matter) to decide who's worthy of my research.

It's my own responsibility to get out there & search for who I think it top tier, and who isn't.

Anything less is blame-shifting, responsibility-dodging crap.  

Fox isn't casting your vote; you are.  If any of y'all don't like what you see: whatever, just get out there & keep searching and stop waiting for others to spoonfeed you what you think is correct.


I'm not wrapped around the axle about Fox. And I think NH GOP did a great job of manning up & doing something about what they thought was unfair.  Heck of a lot better than the standard whining about it... which is par.
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2008, 09:05:36 PM »
Paul is NOT going to get the GOP nomination, (for that matter he is more a libertarian than a Republican) and as such, his time in the debate will distract from those who MAY get the nod (one could argue Thompson oughtn't be in as well, but he placed 3rd in Iowa)
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2008, 09:07:26 PM »
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only people who speak the truth and are best able to fill presidential functions would have the money, popularity and backing (i.e. greased cogs) to be favored by Fox & co to feature in their debates.


Wrong again! Ron Paul has bought ALOT of airtime on Fox for his campaign. Frankly, I was surprised that Fox didn't allow him to come to the debates for this reason.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2008, 09:08:53 PM »
And what more would you have done in my place if you'd see someone saying it's banal for something like Fox to censor someone like RP?
"Whining" is just a convenient way to dismiss a lot of things on forums, regardless of whether they're pertinent or not.  E.g. in the quotes you've refluffied, you don't include the real context, that is, that a national media fixture like Fox is playing with politics to the point of censorship of national elections debates.... And you say it's normal.  You say it's arguable that some candidates are less worthy of free speech, you equate preference for a candidate's policies to his or her right to campaign.  You equate impartiality with some biased bull**** media company.
The two have nothing to do with one another.  There's no comparison.  The real bull**** here is RP's censorship, it's saying people who denounce that censorship are whining, it's saying politics in the US are just a joke for the biggest money and influence mongering clown with the best looking suit and best poker face can win, as opposed to the candidate most fit to satisfy PRESIDENTIAL functions.  

Thompson didn't do as well as Paul, and yet he's invited.  How do you excuse that one?  It's bias and double standard, and calling it for what it is isn't whining.  No more than Paul's a limp wristed egghead.. By your previously stated criteria, the only electable candidate is not one that knows his stuff (e.g. the freakin Constitution), but one that can look good doing whatever the poop they do in the white house.


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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2008, 09:10:51 PM »
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Paul is NOT going to get the GOP nomination, (for that matter he is more a libertarian than a Republican) and as such, his time in the debate will distract from those who MAY get the nod (one could argue Thompson oughtn't be in as well, but he placed 3rd in Iowa)

Just about every other candidate is NOT going to be anywhere as faithful to the Constitution, to the principle of small govt., etc, as Paul, and as such, their time in the debate will distract from those who MAY get the ball rolling in the RIGHT direction again.
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2008, 09:22:06 PM »
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And what more would you have done in my place if you'd see someone saying it's banal for something like Fox to censor someone like RP?
"Whining" is just a convenient way to dismiss a lot of things on forums, regardless of whether they're pertinent or not.  E.g. in the quotes you've refluffied, you don't include the real context, that is, that a national media fixture like Fox is playing with politics to the point of censorship of national elections debates.... And you say it's normal.  You say it's arguable that some candidates are less worthy of free speech, you equate preference for a candidate's policies to his or her right to campaign.  You equate impartiality with some biased bull**** media company.
The two have nothing to do with one another.  There's no comparison.  The real bull**** here is RP's censorship, it's saying people who denounce that censorship are whining, it's saying politics in the US are just a joke for the biggest money and influence mongering clown with the best looking suit and best poker face can win, as opposed to the candidate most fit to satisfy PRESIDENTIAL functions.  

Thompson didn't do as well as Paul, and yet he's invited.  How do you excuse that one?  It's bias and double standard, and calling it for what it is isn't whining.  No more than Paul's a limp wristed egghead.. By your previously stated criteria, the only electable candidate is not one that knows his stuff (e.g. the freakin Constitution), but one that can look good doing whatever the poop they do in the white house.

Delirium - that was sarcasm.


You hit the nail on the head. The two have nothing to do with one another.

Who cares two hoots if CNN is liberal biased, or Fox News is conservative biased?  If you don't like it, change the channel.  If you don't like what's on the other channel ~ turn the TV off.

Why would I try to "explain" why Thompson is invited and RP isn't? I don't care at all. I'm not relying on Fox (or anyone else) to decide for me who I think is top tier.  Frankly, I don't care much at all who's on the 'in' list at any of the channels.  When I decide to let them do my thinking for me, perhaps that will change.  Until then ~ I'll go find out for myself.

Saying that there was whining (yes, I'm saying 'whining' again) about Fox's decision isn't my way to dismiss anything that you or anyone else has said on this board.  I was talking entirely about personal responsibility to choose for yourself (including independent research).
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2008, 09:26:07 PM »
I invited Ron.

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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2008, 09:39:35 PM »
So you're saying there's whining somewhere by someone, but not in the thread you reply to, nor by anyone in that thread?  Just where is this "whining", and what does that "whining" have to do with anything, then?
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2008, 09:41:56 PM »
:rofl  You spend an awful lot of time telling me what I'm saying! :rofl :aok
Thanks moot ~ I appreciated that. I've had a rough day & really needed a good chuckle just then. Thanks ;)
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2008, 10:00:01 PM »
In fact, I asked for clarification on what you meant to avoid just that, but you can't help but not answer and take the lighter and diletante side of it.. and then say I am telling you what you mean to say.
I personaly don't care either way, it just irritates me when something as essential as politics is considered so frivolously.. When someone says they think what is obviously wrong is right, and turn it into a vote that will affect me.
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