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Offline Angus

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« Reply #150 on: January 08, 2008, 09:47:03 AM »
Well, the British, of course!



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« Reply #151 on: January 08, 2008, 09:48:21 AM »
They would be my second choice. Germans third. USA fourth. After that it becomes blurry.
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« Reply #152 on: January 08, 2008, 09:49:51 AM »
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Tell me, what army has adopted the .45 besides the US Army? Has any other army adopted a similar pistol/SMG round? If not, why do you think that is? Why would the ammo of the LOSING nation of WWII become NATO's standard round?


Why was the 45ACP the caliber of choice of the WINNING military for almost eighty years?

Why did the 45ACP REMAIN the caliber of choice for OVER forty years AFTER World War II?

Why does the 45ACP REMAIN the caliber of choice for some of the most elite military units to this day?
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« Reply #153 on: January 08, 2008, 09:55:32 AM »
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Why was the 45ACP the caliber of choice of the WINNING military for almost eighty years?


I honestly don't know. Why did your nation chose the .45 ACP?


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Why did the 45ACP REMAIN the caliber of choice for OVER forty years AFTER World War II?


Because you're stubborn and nationalistic? I don't know. In any case you came around eventually.


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Why does the 45ACP REMAIN the caliber of choice for some of the most elite military units to this day?


Because the .45 round is better for suppressed weapons, like I explained earlier. That's why the H&K Mk. 23 is chambered in 45. ACP instead of the standard 9 mm P.



Now ... why don't you answer my questions?
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« Reply #154 on: January 08, 2008, 09:57:13 AM »
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They would be my second choice. Germans third. USA fourth. After that it becomes blurry.


So who is the first? Israelis....or NORSE :D
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« Reply #155 on: January 08, 2008, 09:58:25 AM »
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So who is the first? Israelis....or NORSE :D



I answered that on the previous page. (Israel)
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« Reply #156 on: January 08, 2008, 10:00:08 AM »
blehhhh...........I think the weapons of war that win wars are superior to those weapon that lose wars.  Russian and american weapons tend to be superior, more or less, all things considered.
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« Reply #157 on: January 08, 2008, 10:02:05 AM »
Wars are not won or lost by weapons, but by men and statistics.
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« Reply #158 on: January 08, 2008, 10:18:29 AM »
The 45ACP became the caliber of choice because it had considerable stopping power, when most calibers around 0.35" fail.

The 45ACP remained the caliber of choice because it WORKED, and the right people were in charge and they didn't give a damn about what NATO liked.

The 45ACP remains in use by elite units because it offers much more reliable stopping power,  the use of suppressors has nothing to do with it. Elite units MUST stop their opponents quickly and surely, with as few shots as possible, because of their mission and the fact that they rely on swift application of overwhelming force.

You talk about penetration. The only thing the 9MM penetrates better than 45ACP is helmets. Got any idea how few soldiers can actually MAKE head shots in combat conditions? Got any idea how much better a 230 grain 45ACP bullet penetrates flesh, clothing, and breaks bone? Got any idea how much difference 115 grains of weight and 0.100" of diameter makes in stopping power and damage done, when you're dealing with bullets that do not expand?

The answers to your questions are:

Who cares?
Who cares?
Popularity and expedience.
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« Reply #159 on: January 08, 2008, 10:24:18 AM »
Wars are not won or lost by weapons, but by men and statistics.
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Dont make me bust a move on you......:rolleyes:
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« Reply #160 on: January 08, 2008, 10:36:04 AM »
Viking
 There is alot of info out there on why the 9MM sucks. Facts and figures on energy and time to stop a person after they are shot.

9MM ball sucks.

The only people I know who WANT to own a 9MM are idiots who think glock 17s are the best gun ever cause gang bangers like them and chicks(cause they cant deal with the .45 recoil).
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« Reply #161 on: January 08, 2008, 10:37:21 AM »
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Johnson rifle  
Johnson LMG  
Johnson SMG


I wounder how many service men died while being hammed down on by germans after hearing that retarded "PING, im highly vulnerable now, shoot me while i reload" the garand had.

Retards.


Wonder how many Germans were close enough to hear that ping in a
firefight?  I also wonder how many Germans died because some GI
"pinged" an empty clip off a rock or his helmet. :aok
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« Reply #162 on: January 08, 2008, 10:39:04 AM »
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Wonder how many Germans were close enough to hear that ping in a
firefight?  I also wonder how many Germans died because some GI
"pinged" an empty clip off a rock or his helmet. :aok



If you have ever shot with no ear protection ( Dont do it ), you would know that the ping story is a bunch of bull****. You would have to be withen 20 feet to hear that ping with your ears ringing from lots of gunfire.

Granted 20 feet inst all that far in a jungle or forest.
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« Reply #163 on: January 08, 2008, 10:39:47 AM »
Golly, Gscholtz doesn't like US weapons..well now, THAT'S a shocker! :D
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« Reply #164 on: January 08, 2008, 10:41:59 AM »
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If you have ever shot with no ear protection ( Dont do it ), you would know that the ping story is a bunch of bull****. You would have to be withen 20 feet to hear that ping with your ears ringing from lots of gunfire.

Granted 20 feet inst all that far in a jungle or forest.


     Actually I did make that mistake with a .45 auto once.. riiiinnnn..
nnnnn.nnnn.nng :D   I was being sarcastic about the ping thing...
it's something the History Channel likes to mention :rolleyes:
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