Author Topic: who made the best cc weapons in WW2? (Read 6808 times)

DiabloTX · « **Reply #90 on:** January 07, 2008, 01:04:14 PM »

From what I understood it was more for the Airborne units for portability reasons.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #91 on:** January 07, 2008, 01:11:38 PM »

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I never understood the point of the M1A1 carbine. It seems to be more of an airsoft gun. What advantages did it have over other guns mentionned in the thread?

It was small, light and ammo was light.

Other then that it was a pistol replacement originaly from what I read somewhere.

indy007 · « **Reply #92 on:** January 07, 2008, 01:12:23 PM »

I don't really consider a battle rifle a "close range weapon". 400 yards isn't all that close.

If you wanna look at stuff that made for vicious close combat, go no further than the german entrenching tool. Nobody wants to take a hit from one of these things..

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #93 on:** January 07, 2008, 01:12:37 PM »

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Originally posted by moot
I never understood the point of the M1A1 carbine. It seems to be more of an airsoft gun. What advantages did it have over other guns mentionned in the thread?

It was originally created as a support role replacement of the 1911. However it did rather well. It was light, easy to shoot, and easy to maintain. I argue (though many contend with the STG44) that it was the first assault rifle, being a (light) intermediate cartridge.

However, it was a love - hate gun. You either loved it, or hated it.

Yeager · « **Reply #94 on:** January 07, 2008, 01:16:22 PM »

The M1 Carbine was intended to replace the .45 pistol for support troops. Apparently they needed something more capable than a pistol but less than the main Garand armament.

The Carbine become popular with many front line troops and can be seen often in combat footage. The M1 Carbine round is not an earth shattering round ballistically but I assume it is not a pleasant experience to be shot by one.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #95 on:** January 07, 2008, 01:17:30 PM »

Suomi kp + flamethrower attachment. We have a winner!

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #96 on:** January 07, 2008, 01:19:48 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It was originally created as a support role replacement of the 1911. However it did rather well. It was light, easy to shoot, and easy to maintain. I argue (though many contend with the STG44) that it was the first assault rifle, being a (light) intermediate cartridge.

However, it was a love - hate gun. You either loved it, or hated it.

In it's M2 form, yes, since you would have selective fire with Full-auto capability. IMHO, that should have been what they produced the most of.

Slash27 · « **Reply #97 on:** January 07, 2008, 01:20:31 PM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Suomi kp + flamethrower attachment. We have a winner!

screw that!:D

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #98 on:** January 07, 2008, 01:40:36 PM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
In it's M2 form, yes, since you would have selective fire with Full-auto capability. IMHO, that should have been what they produced the most of.

The M2 really wasn't produced til late in the end of the pacific war.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #99 on:** January 07, 2008, 01:45:14 PM »

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Originally posted by indy007
I don't really consider a battle rifle a "close range weapon". 400 yards isn't all that close.

If you wanna look at stuff that made for vicious close combat, go no further than the german entrenching tool. Nobody wants to take a hit from one of these things..

yup ok i swap that for my pistol. take the m1 garand with a sling and the german light battle axe

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #100 on:** January 07, 2008, 01:57:12 PM »

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yup ok i swap that for my pistol. take the m1 garand with a sling and the german light battle axe

I have some suposedly russian Spetnaz throwing fighting shovel like that, I use it as my jeep trail shovel..

Viking · « **Reply #101 on:** January 07, 2008, 02:19:22 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The M2 really wasn't produced til late in the end of the pacific war.

Which makes the MP43/StG44 the first assault rifle since the M1 Carbine was only semi-auto.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #102 on:** January 07, 2008, 02:23:56 PM »

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Which makes the MP43/StG44 the first assault rifle since the M1 Carbine was only semi-auto.

No, it really makes the Federov Automat the first assault rifle.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #103 on:** January 07, 2008, 02:29:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Which makes the MP43/StG44 the first assault rifle since the M1 Carbine was only semi-auto.

Agreed, and besides, the 30 carbine round is not really powerful enough to qualify. The 30 carbine is a neat little weapon, more powerful and accurate than most military handgun type side arms, yet light, and user friendly. But even the select fire version isn't really an assault rifle.

Few would argue that the German weapon was NOT the first really functional and useful "assault weapon", in the true modern sense of the term. The U.S. didn't have a true "assault weapon" until the advent of the AR series of rifles, which were actually originally intended as survival rifles for the USAF, and eventually became the M-16 series.

Viking · « **Reply #104 on:** January 07, 2008, 02:38:36 PM »

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No, it really makes the Federov Automat the first assault rifle.

The Fedorov Avtomat is sometimes mentioned as the first assault rifle, but in reality it was a selective fire battle rifle like the M-14, FN-FAL, G-3 etc. While somewhat smaller than other rifle rounds at the time, the Avtomat's 6.5x50SR Arisaka round is still too large and powerful to be considered an intermediate round.