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Offline Redlegs

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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2008, 07:07:31 PM »
tailspn

She was a real player I flew with her in H2H quite a bit. I saw her once in Il2 but due to the nature of the game making it hard to read texts was not able to contact her.

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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2008, 07:35:20 PM »
How will you feel if it IS true?
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I would feel terrible.  

I believe that there is an OBLIGATION here in this community to provide proof of matters of such dire and heartbreaking news.  in the world of internet deceptions and pranks, verifiable proof is the bare minimum for me.

When a child is killed by a hit and run driver, it makes the local news agency and any news establishment will have an online component that reports it.  A gag order?  I want to feel terrible but Im not inclined to believe something that is of such magnitude if it cannot essentially be proven.  I honestly hope it is not true.

If it is, I will feel terrible for the loss of innocent life.  It would be tragic.

Sorry if I seem out of line, I just don't give this sort of thing any credibility if it cannot be substantiated through verifiable proof.
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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2008, 07:40:45 PM »
And the "deception" would cause what real harm in our little world?

Now lets look at the flip side, we already see how 68KO's widow/family benifited from knowing "us"...sometimes just the need to try and connect somehow is overwhelming...so my buddy polishes his dead sons car.

So if the posting here isnt about us or trolling for sympathy but just a real attempt to reach out and touch the metphysical "traces" of something that doesnt exist anymore??

So when a guy wakes up at 4am and looks for a way to "connect" and comes here...he really needs to read your comment?

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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2008, 07:43:03 PM »
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How will you feel if it IS true?
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I would feel terrible.  

I believe that there is an OBLIGATION here in this community to provide proof of matters of such dire and heartbreaking news.  in the world of internet deceptions and pranks, verifiable proof is the bare minimum for me.

When a child is killed by a hit and run driver, it makes the local news agency and any news establishment will have an online component that reports it.  A gag order?  I want to feel terrible but Im not inclined to believe something that is of such magnitude if it cannot essentially be proven.  I honestly hope it is not true.

If it is, I will feel terrible for the loss of innocent life.  It would be tragic.

Sorry if I seem out of line, I just don't give this sort of thing any credibility if it cannot be substantiated through verifiable proof.



End it. If you don't believe it, it's really simple to not say anything. If you weren't in her circle or their circle, then it shouldn't matter to you. Don't salute, don't say goodbye, and try to have the maturity not to ask for more evidence when an adult, of the AH community, says he lost a child/grandchild/daughter... whatever the relation.


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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2008, 08:22:51 PM »
I am sorry for your loss...I truly am.  

Saying that, I find it disconcerting that any of the healing process can be offered up on this BBS though.  It baffles me that anyone would post something so personal on here.

Perhaps this is cold... perhaps not.  It's not meant to be.  It's how I feel and what I expect when I log on to play a computer game.  I personally don't believe the Aces High II BBS is the place I want anyone to tell anyone my death.  

I'm getting a little overwhelmed and tired of seeing everyone's bad news or business posted up here.  I think maybe there should be another forum devoted soley to this... it's getting entirely too common.
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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2008, 09:25:50 PM »
See, now im getting involved.. It's hard not to, I guess. In regards to the post before mine; She was a member of Aces High II and has friends and family in game. Did you watch the memorial flight? Maybe, when uneducated about a situation we just not post?
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« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2008, 09:41:19 PM »
I am a Spitdweeb

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« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2008, 09:13:47 AM »
Maybe, when uneducated about a situation we just not post?
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Maybe, when making claims about a tragic accidental death of a member of OUR community, provide some verifiable proof for OUR community.

A memorial gathering in an online game does not consititute proof of death, btw :cry
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« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2008, 09:53:43 AM »
so sorry to hear about this.

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« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2008, 10:32:03 AM »
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How will you feel if it IS true?
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I would feel terrible.  

I believe that there is an OBLIGATION here in this community to provide proof of matters of such dire and heartbreaking news.  in the world of Internet deceptions and pranks, verifiable proof is the bare minimum for me.

When a child is killed by a hit and run driver, it makes the local news agency and any news establishment will have an online component that reports it.  A gag order?  I want to feel terrible but I'm not inclined to believe something that is of such magnitude if it cannot essentially be proven.  I honestly hope it is not true.

If it is, I will feel terrible for the loss of innocent life.  It would be tragic.

Sorry if I seem out of line, I just don't give this sort of thing any credibility if it cannot be substantiated through verifiable proof.

I'm with Yeager.  A couple of years ago, someone (who shall remain nameless) had posted that one of our squad-mates - Pugg, had been killed in a car accident - hit by a drunk driver.  Yeager, and the rest of us in the 13th TAS were quite upset having lost one of our good friends.  One year later, I see Pugg online.  I tell him he we thought he was dead - turns out it wasn't true - someone had told a lie to create sympathy for themselves (ie. screw around with us).  Pugg was away on a work assignment for a year - he was upset too that someone had fabricated his death.

Bluntly denying us to news articles or proof is not very professional or appreciated because it adds doubt.  This is the Internet and as such, claims of death and person loss can be easily fabricated.  It has happened here at HTC too often which is why some of us are taking this with some reservation.   If there is legitimate proof and this is a true event, I cannot personally imagine the loss being a father of two kids.   But adding doubt with 'gag' orders and denying evidence, then you're asking people to question the truth of this tragic event.

But, please, put this to rest and point us to a news clipping. Otherwise, I'll ask HTC to move the thread to the O'CLUB or close/remove it.
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« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2008, 10:48:51 AM »
Yeesh - I had promised myself I was done with this topic, but I guess not.  There are those of you who are (legitimately, I might add) asking why people (me among others) felt a need to say anything if they didn't think they could just accept what's been said at face value on this subject.

You are asking "Why not just skip over it, just ignore it, and move on?"

Earlier, I said that I felt that I was representing others when I posted - this time, I am only just representing me.  And the reason for me is that I simply couldn't.  When some kid claims he's psy ops and it seems utterly unlikely, you just grin and skip to the next thread. This (for me) is different.

I and my wife never thought we'd have kids.  I had surgery to fix a problem that didn't seem to take, and after a few years we resigned ourselves to what was the expected outcome and focused on other aspects to life.  After all, there are far worse tragedies in life, although I understand the pain, helplessness (and at times anger) of anyone who desperately want kids and can't.  Anyway, an unexpected miracle occurred, and we had a son born to us - prematurely.  A premature birth is terrifying enough, but then he fell ill, and we were told it could go either way, the only thing to do was wait.  I can't describe the terror that accompanied the thought that after waiting so long that we could lose him -  humble alluded to it and some of you will understand and some of you won't. For two days I moved beyond the terror, into a calm acceptance of the certainty that he was gone.  Anyway, he rallied, and after 12 days in the ICU, we took him home - a second miracle.  And then a few month's later we found that he had a congenital heart defect, and were told again that it could go either way - the only fix is an operation for a replacement heart valve, which they can't do until adulthood.  His heart condition would either stabilize and he'd be OK, or it would continue to worsen and we'd eventually lose him, and either way, other than a few precautions such as avoiding chest impacts and being extremely careful about infections, there was not much anyone could do. So every few months for years we took him in to hear the new verdict, and while after a few years of good prognosis the terror kind of dulls a bit, having the sword of Damacles always hanging over your head changes you. I don't need or want your sympathy, because the truth is we've been as lucky as you can be - every time that something bad has seemed likely, the very best possible outcome has been what's happened. He's now 15, and the worst is over.  Yes, he'll probably need an operation - someday.  But by then who knows what the current technology will be.  

But like I said - the point is that the sword hanging over your head changes you.  I don't read the stories in the paper that tell of tragedies happening to children - they strike a little too close to home.  I don't read books or watch movies if I know they include tragedies happening to children either, for the same reason.  And when I am taken by surprise by a book or a movie like Pay it Forward or more recently The Road to Tarabithia, I feel angry and betrayed by the movie writers for subjecting me to the death of a child - even make believe - unawares.

So when I read that someone in a community I feel to be a part of has lost what to them is the only child they will ever have, my heart simply wrenches.  Here is someone who is living out my very worst nightmare.

But... at the same time, whatever his reasons may be, someone in the community that neither I nor anyone I know personally knows firsthand has told a story that (to be as kind as possible) seems increasingly unlikely, about somone else in the community that I never knew. And given past scams, it's not outside the realm of possibilities that this might be one too.

And so I've agonized over it.  I badly want to believe him, because I have a sense for the pain he and his wife must be going through - and although I know better about human beings, I don't really want to actually have to believe again that someone is capable of making a sick joke of something like that.  At the same time, I badly want to not believe him, because I'd really rather believe that it didn't happen anyway - except that if it didn't happen, then I want someone's privates roasted on a stick for subjecting me (and the rest of us too, but mostly me) to a sick joke if that's what it was.

FWIW, after several PM conversations I'm more inclined than ever to believe that the story is probably unlikely, but that the loss is very real.  So I'm very very very sorry for Hawkeye and his family for the loss of Tailspin, and if the story is not entirely true, just as sorry for whatever in this sometimes sh***y world made whatever the truth is so unbearable that what he told us was preferable.

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« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2008, 10:55:39 AM »
BTW - having a brother-in-law who is a funeral home manager, we checked the obituaries database of all the newspapers in North America.  She didn't come up unfortunately.  Please provide more evidence.
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« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2008, 12:03:14 PM »
this tribunal had my blood pressure  up so bad it made me vomit.
first of all let me say she is my niece and i had no right sharing any information whatsoever i felt compelled to let a handful of people in her circle of friends know what happened  it seems that she alone had Quite an imact over all that  this comunity wanted to pay  their respects at the time yanksfan made the film  we had no photo now i found one and sent it to  our circle seems that people were finding it hard to find the link to watch the memorial so Yanks made another post thats all
now we are dealing with a runaway train
 I will not defend explain or provide anymore information to you all after this final statement
 her daddy could give a Rats behind about  me this game and all who are in it i say again i had no Right saying any thing outside of my family about her death but its water under the bridge now isint is?
 yes  i know there are doubts maybe even with in my own squaddies  as no one wants to believe shes gone but theres a respect level though to keep the doubts  of this nature where they belong! people look! i never wanted any of the insanity wich this has become some people wanted a way to say good bye to a little girl that left her mark no one asked you for money or your sympathey, maybe  a prayer or two but if that requires three pieces of Id and a thumb print well then keep your prayers too  if theres one fact i can prove to you all  it is this ! some of you and i say again some of you in uesing your first Amendment rights have served nothing more than to hurt me!! im done with this mess "remember this" I contacted Her circle of friends and posted in an attempt to reach her H2H friends and now its a witch hunt? what a shame

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« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2008, 12:12:13 PM »
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No Yeager. The father requested a gag order, so that her family is only able to discuss what happened in a computer game, complete with her name, a brief description of the events, and some background into her family life.


The police report for the assault on Serenity was sealed, too (so he said).

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« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2008, 01:34:32 PM »
The police report for the assault on Serenity was sealed, too (so he said).
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Is this the same guy from the serenity story?
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