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Offline MajIssue

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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #60 on: April 04, 2008, 10:04:06 AM »

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Now that Vanscrew is a Bish, I guess I have to take back all the nasty things I've said about him in the intrest of Bish Harmony! :salute
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Re: Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #61 on: April 04, 2008, 11:33:22 AM »


I am interested in what your conclusions are dhyran... could you expand on your post with specifics?

Thanks in advance






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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #62 on: April 04, 2008, 02:23:18 PM »
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Planes looks better if you have a highend computer
Dont agree, especially where the bombers are concerned. Much more detail here, and much much more damage detail.
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Agree on this one.
 
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AI otto and 6-calls - formation flying with buffs
Otto in Wb's is basically useless, unles your flying in an event arena where its tweaked. Just the same I (and most all I fly with) will gladly take the trade off of gunning from a solidly mounted 50 cal (not the "mounted on rubber bands" feeling WB's has) with the ai's guns slaved over the OTTO Any day. Wish we could adjust the formations here like WB's though.

As far as the bomber game goes AH wins ..miles ahead and hands down. The FM's don't all feel like your flying a sheet of plywood like WB's. Theres no "hoverbombing" like WB's or any bombing from the site in the climb with pinpoint accuracy here either. The bombsite requires you to not only calibrate for speed and altitude, it also requires you to maintain a 0 ROC throughout the bomb run like WB's, or your drop will be off. The bombers take multiples of different dammage here as well. Not the *plink *plink*  model falls apart in 5 pieces like we were used to.

Overall the name of the game is ballance. Can actual effects be produced realistically in an MMO flight sim?Probably not. That being said, there has to be a concerted effort to bring ballance into the mix. A simple explanation from a historical hi alt bomber perspective is that all the pieces here fit. Generally were escorted by 51's or 47's with DT's on long missions.Because the game is designed in such a manner that they are generally the only aircraft that have the legs for it...like it was in RL. The best interceptor aircraft are any of the heavy cannon armed LW rides. Because the game is designed in a manner that they are the best tool for the job since the cannons here actually work They haven't been nerfed (and coincidently LW squads here are thriving). Any allied AC like 51's or 47's trying to intercept dont quite have the firepower to bring down a bomber (in both cases) and will only take a couple hits to the engine and are out (51's case).

Theres been obvious thought put into the balance of things here. And it doesn't matter what profile you fly , Hi alt run, med alt run, noe attack, jabo ect ect...all the pieces fit and make sense.And then theres regular development on top of all that.

I guess thats why were here.
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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #63 on: April 04, 2008, 04:27:35 PM »
I was in the original Warbirds beta (and am not the only one here) aka Confirmed Kill somewhere back in the 90's. Then continued to play WB until version 2. When HT and Pyro left the game went downhill, one christmas there were issues with their servers and I could not login. I came to the AH beta and have never looked back. I took a break in ww2ol for a year or so but came back to AH.

Warbirds will never get any $$$ from me, primairly because of their past actions and their CEOs money grabbing attitude (ie lawsuits).

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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #64 on: April 04, 2008, 05:35:26 PM »
So. Let me get this straight. All I need to do is somehow get the WB people to get off their collective rear ends and I won't have to hear you sing on squad vox anymore?

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Anyone got a phone number for WB?




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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #65 on: April 04, 2008, 09:22:39 PM »
Well for me the final straw was HS telling me unless I had an engineers degree nothing I said mattered.

Well yeah ok HS, I see your point, time to hit the road.
Hit the ground running here and never looked back.
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Yeah, Dan definitely had a way with people that made a Spanish Inquisitor seem sensitive and compassionate by comparison.  And his way was definitely the only right way, too.  Heck, forget right - it was the only possible way.  Even when it made no (absolutely no) sense...

You reap what you sow though.   Look at the state of the sim now.  WarBirds III was going to be virtually "plug and play" development - once the code was redone they'd add a plane a month, remember? 

Still - it may be a one-time boom town turned ghetto headed toward a ghost town but it was still my first online "home" - and I'd be rooting for them in a heartbeat if I thought that there was an ice cube's chance in Hades that it would turn around for them. 
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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #66 on: April 04, 2008, 10:14:26 PM »
WB was my first sim also. Back in the day it was a wonderful sandbox where you had to wait to get in. This sim is an extension of what that sim was long ago.

The sandbox is bigger now and I remember the first time I flew online here it was like finding an old friend.

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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #67 on: April 04, 2008, 10:23:52 PM »
NoPoop!  We miss you... come fly sometime my friend!

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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #68 on: April 04, 2008, 10:26:47 PM »
HERE ?????? You GOT to be kidding !!! That would be GREAT !!
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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #69 on: April 04, 2008, 10:32:59 PM »
I BS you not.  Mury flies as Pokeee, and they fly with some of the other ATC's as the "Miserable Pudknockers".  I try to catch them up, but don't do a good job of it... I don't tend to fly mid week much and I forget that they use TS until I see one of them in the buffer half the time.

Anyway, it would be really good to see you in the air again... 

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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #70 on: April 05, 2008, 01:10:31 AM »
Sorry all I don't have time to read this thread but if you want my two cents. 

It's simple Warbirds is dead.  They have peaked in development and the community seem's to be giving up for the most part. 

Just try to give the WB converts a better reception the the AW guy's were given :)

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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #71 on: April 05, 2008, 01:31:00 AM »
I flew WB's from '98 to '02 , mostly 2.77 great times  :aok

The training is WB's was better, with guys like Daddy, Tech and some of the best sticks in WB
who would spend lots of time working with peeps in the TA.
I also really liked the rolling plane set in our 2.77 Fighter Ops arena.
with that said, AH is better now (IMO)

The rivalries between countries was pretty intense too, Greens and Reds seemed to truly hate each other and rarely did you see anyone switch sides ( not that thats a good thing, but kinda added to the imersion)

we have about a dozen 367th still with us from those days
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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #72 on: April 05, 2008, 07:15:22 AM »
We should have a WB's reunion mission some night or weekend.
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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #73 on: April 05, 2008, 07:21:12 AM »
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The rivalries between countries was pretty intense too, Greens and Reds seemed to truly hate each other and rarely did you see anyone switch sides ( not that thats a good thing, but kinda added to the imersion)
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May they never make such a mistake here.  The Axis/Allied split seemed like an awesome idea at the time that it was implemented as the "main arena", but it contributed greatly to the self destruction of the community.  Those of us who supported it (and I was one) failed to realize the implications of it on the community, and we paid dearly.  Perhaps in some ways even worse than the Easymode fiasco...

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Re: War birds Vs Us
« Reply #74 on: April 05, 2008, 09:20:28 AM »
I flew Confirmed Kill when it first came out.I then tried AW,staying there except for a short tryout of AH Beta.When AW was shutdown,I tried WB's,didn't like it and went back to AH.I agree with HT,he made AW and WB's,and AH is better.If it were possible I would have AW and it's outdated grahics and it's great cameraderie #one.WB's had a very loyal following,because paying for it by the hour,gleaned out the A...holes,squeakers,one person shooter types,etc.I found them to be cliqueish, and I never felt comfortable there.That WB's is still running is incredible to say the least.Again attributed to loyal player base.I forgot to add that I tried Fighter Ace for a few days....it sucked.I will make this statement,and even tho it won't happen, one can always dream.Give me the money,the right people,and all the legal stuff,and I'd redo AW,and make a good living from it.
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