Dems, do you really want this?

[Gunslinger]

The dems don't want hillary.....BUT they've been so obsessed with "anything but Bush" for the last 7 or so years that they don't know what a real candidate looks like.  

If she gets elected that will make 20 years of either a Bush or a Clinton in the white house.

[crockett]

Originally posted by john9001
al sharpton wants to talk to you boy.

No it's a white guy.. al Sharpton don't care about the honkies.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
The dems don't want hillary.....BUT they've been so obsessed with "anything but Bush" for the last 7 or so years that they don't know what a real candidate looks like.  

If she gets elected that will make 20 years of either a Bush or a Clinton in the white house.

One could say the same thing about the Republicans. "Anything but Hillary" seems to be common slang around here. I don't like Hillary either, but your damn right I'd vote for her before any of the Republicans whom are running. Hell at worst Case Bill would be the first man, so I don't think she could screw up too much.

I really don't like Hillary, not for her voting record, but because I think she would be a "divider" much the same as Bush is now. I don't think we need any more of that in this country, yet I'd still rather see her in office than one of the status que Republicans whom are running.

It's time for something new in this country rather than the same ole BS. Will we get it out of any of the current candidates? Likely not, but hey least we can hope.

[SteveBailey]

That's the problem I have with today's Right Wingers bj, is they aren't walking the walk they talk. Hell I might even be inclined to vote as a Republican "if" they actually walked the walk they talked.

The right wingers aren't in power.... how can we not be walking the talk?  or whatever you typed.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by crockett
It's all about profits man. Why would they need to lower their prices, you forget this problem has come about over a long time. It just didn't happen over night.

Another thing, just because they might use illegal workers, doesn't mean they are paying them $2.50 a hour. Most illegals have fake id's /SS #'s so they are getting paid at least min wage and taxes /SS are taken out of that.

These companies aren't using illegals just so they can pay them $2.50/hr. They use them, because the illegals are willing to work at a low wage. It doesn't mean there are no Americans whom can't fill those jobs, but most Americans aren't willing to do that work that cheap.

 

There are plenty of people that would do these jobs.. they did them before.
So  what did we do  before all these illegal immigrants were in the work force?   How did we manage to have affordable goods then?  How?

I already said... illegals largely displaced unionized meatworkers and prices didn't go down.. why should I expect them to go up if they leave?  You have absolutely no evidence that prices will go up.. none whatsoever... merely fearmongering conjecture.  

There is no proof anywhere that illegal aliens are a benefit to our society... there is only supposition and conjecture that the economy will somehow collapse if they leave.  Yet there is proof that illegal aliens are a large drain on community resources... proof that whereever they go, they have a higher crimerate than citizens,

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
The right wingers aren't in power.... how can we not be walking the talk?  or whatever you typed.

The problem is that GWBush ran as a compassionate consrevative..  Right wing lite.  Then he did many things that true conservatives dislike.  

The first thing he did was to work with Teddy and bring more federal control to education.  

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Demos believe in and work for the wrong policies, and the Repubs say they don't and still end up doing it anyway.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
The problem is that GWBush ran as a compassionate consrevative..  Right wing lite.  Then he did many things that true conservatives dislike.  

 

you're right... he fooled and betrayed conservatives. For his re-election, in spite of his unremarkable record, Bush was a better choice than that extremist Kerry.*



*  a conservative viewpoint... not trying to change anyone's opinion.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
you're right... he fooled and betrayed conservatives. For his re-election, in spite of his unremarkable record, Bush was a better choice than that extremist Kerry.*



*  a conservative viewpoint... not trying to change anyone's opinion.

not to mention Algore.

[Rolex]

I don't think anyone supports illegal immigration. That would an indefensible position.

Illegal immigrants have done the dirty work for generations. Legal immigrants did many of them also because showing up at a port of entry and not having any communicable disease was all you needed to gain legal entry. That's how it was done in the past. The immigration laws have changed. The US, not unlike any other developed nation, allows only the cute and fuzzy immigrants now - the educated and rich ones - to immigrate. Unskilled laborers cannot immigrate now, so the low-skill positions are filled by many illegals. Americans are not lining up to fill out applications for those positions. If they were, they would be working in them.

Prices didn't go down with lower wages; executive, owner and investor compensation went up. Prices only go down when forced down by competition, not by reducing costs. Prices go up whenever any reason that sounds plausible can be thought up.

As usual, lot's of talk about problems, but never any action. One man's solution is another man's economic loss. It would help Arizona (the highest violent crime rate in the US, higher than South Africa and other 3rd-world countries) if the US enforced the federal immigration laws with employers. The federal government is doing things it shouldn't be doing and few of the things it should be doing.

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
The problem is that GWBush ran as a compassionate consrevative..  Right wing lite.  Then he did many things that true conservatives dislike.  

The first thing he did was to work with Teddy and bring more federal control to education.  

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Demos believe in and work for the wrong policies, and the Repubs say they don't and still end up doing it anyway.

Remember the "old days" when the Republicans were the majority in both the House and Senate?  How we had to do this "power sharing" thing to make some real progress?

Funny I dont see any "power sharing" going on now that the Dems are in the majority.  

McCain was one of those band of idiots who squandered the chance to push through some true Conservative ideas....instead they spent like idiots and acheived nothing asides losing badly in the next election.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Rolex
I don't think anyone supports illegal immigration. That would an indefensible position.

Illegal immigrants have done the dirty work for generations. Legal immigrants did many of them also because showing up at a port of entry and not having any communicable disease was all you needed to gain legal entry. That's how it was done in the past. The immigration laws have changed. The US, not unlike any other developed nation, allows only the cute and fuzzy immigrants now - the educated and rich ones - to immigrate. Unskilled laborers cannot immigrate now, so the low-skill positions are filled by many illegals. Americans are not lining up to fill out applications for those positions. If they were, they would be working in them.

That's where you're wrong.

Take that Meat Packing plant in Colorado.  INS showed up one day and cleaned out the illegal immigrants.

THE VERY NEXT DAY, there were more then enough applicants to fill out all the positions lost.

[LePaul]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
That's where you're wrong.

Take that Meat Packing plant in Colorado.  INS showed up one day and cleaned out the illegal immigrants.

THE VERY NEXT DAY, there were more then enough applicants to fill out all the positions lost.

I remember reading of that.

This idea that somehow our economy will collapse without illegals is a pipe dream.  Those illegals are TAKING jobs away from workers.  Just because you wont pick fruit, veggies or other low wage jobs, someone else might.

[crockett]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
The right wingers aren't in power.... how can we not be walking the talk?  or whatever you typed.

Were you in a coma the last 8 years? Jesus man the Dem's just took control of the house and senate what 6 months ago or something? Is everything already their fault?

[Rolex]

Let me know when you get a few hundred thousand more samples in your analysis.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by crockett
Were you in a coma the last 8 years? Jesus man the Dem's just took control of the house and senate what 6 months ago or something? Is everything already their fault?

THE RIGHT WINGERS WERE NOT IN POWER.

What do you not understand about this?  Are you in a coma now?


Why is it too complicated for you to see the difference between a conservative and a republican?