Has the LA7 regained it's throne...

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Rino
I think I haven't gotten it yet.  What an individual flies is of no concern
to me.  I guess if I run into the cloud of high altitude fast guys, it is my
poor SA and not their tactics that is the problem.

     I also enjoy turnfighters calling B&Zer dweebs because they fight to
their strengths just like the turners do to theirs.  If some of this stuff
bothers you, maybe it's time to take a deep breath and relax for a while.

     I hate losing as much as the next guy, but name calling because you
lost is silly.

     Oh yeah, HTC put in all these aircraft to be used...if you become a plane
snob because you think it makes you more of a stud, then you are limiting
yourself for no reason.  Trust me, no one spends alot of time thinking "Boy
that Hub sure is cool..he flies Mitchells like fighters!"   No offense Hub,
you were just the first one I thought up.

Who is calling people names?

Plane snob that I am, I get that part

[Dadano]

Originally posted by Guppy35
as the favorite ride of the masses?

Seems like I'm seeing them more and more after what seemed to be a bit of a down swing.

Most if not all seem to be firing from 1K+ out and going light speed too.

Seemed to be nothing but LAs, N1Ks and Spit 16s yesterday.

I'm flying it exclusively now. Lots of fun.

[trigger2]

Originally posted by Guppy35
as the favorite ride of the masses?

Seems like I'm seeing them more and more after what seemed to be a bit of a down swing.

Most if not all seem to be firing from 1K+ out and going light speed too.

Seemed to be nothing but LAs, N1Ks and Spit 16s yesterday.

Yup, seems like that's what people fly...

[trigger2]

Originally posted by MajIssue
I got it ghastly... I couldn't resist the opportunity to spout communist propaganda when I read the word "force", in SuBWaYCH's post. The way I see it, the only way to learn about the game is to get "tooled" your first few dozen sorties... A new guy is usually inexperienced (as we all were at some point) and will see: "[insert veteran player name here] shot you down" on every MA sortie the first few times they log on during the 2 week trial. In my case Fester alone killed me at least 2 dozen times in the first week I played in 2001. It really doesn't matter what ride a "nugget" selects, inexperience, lack of SA and upping into a cap or furball will usually result in the same outcome... "SoAndSo shot you down". So if a noob ups an aircraft he or she might have heard of before [i.e Pony, LaLa or Spit]... no big deal, they will get their 6 waxed soon enough, just like we all did.

Yes, very true, the thing is though now instead of learning a plane (take me and my p40 for example :] ) they hop in a spixteen or a lala or a n1k looking for the easy kills, when we all know who's gonna win the tours

Axer
Shawk
Vanscrew

That's the way it always seems to be.
Hop in a plane that takes some experiance, take the time to learn it, get shot down some, rather than hopping in a spixteen and cherrypicking like no tommorow.  I have no problem with new people flying a spitfire, I reccomend it cause it's a brilliant LEARNER plane. Once you got the basics down, it's time to switch.

[Rich46yo]

Yeah I think there are more LA-7s in the air. But even more so then Ponys Im seeing more Jugs in the air. At least in base attacks.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Rino
Oh yeah, HTC put in all these aircraft to be used...if you become a plane
snob because you think it makes you more of a stud, then you are limiting
yourself for no reason.

I agree Rino with what you were saying and also this comment. But keep in mind that some find flying the top tier rides rather boring. I know the Spit16 is a great plane but flying it is just plain dull.

Hence some just prefer the challange of something that requires more concentration and skill to do well. The fact that they could probably do even better in one of the dweeb or perk rides doesn't interest them.


...-Gixer

[NCLawman]

Just out of curiousity.........

For all those that are commenting about the lack of training and skill of the "nuber" pilots, how many of you are AH Trainers?

I keep reading comments about how one newbie or another flew straight into combat and got 'vulched', 'picked', 'roped', etc.. 5 times in a row.  "I guess he should start to rethink his tactics rather than just upping the next uber plane."  

Just for discussion sake (and this is NOT a dig at anyone) after you roped/ stalled/picked the same guy 5 times on the same flight, does that not at least show the newber has the dilligence and desire to engage.  Why not then send a message and take him/her to the TA and show him how/why he keeps getting beat rather than pointing to the HANGER LIST and telling him to pick the next one. (Though I expect it is great for score when they do it this way.)

New guys are NOT going to learn ACM (like everyone seems to want) by just picking a different plane.  They learn ACM, flight - fight tactics, and 'ethics' from the vets who take the time to teach them.  Rather than just telling him to pick a non-uber plane.  Tell him to pick the hurri-1 and then teach him to fly it.  

Want to get rid of HOs and rams?  Teach the newb an option other than HO and ram.  To many, that is their only weapon or defense.  Some of you forget that you are a relative '10th degree black belt' going against a white belt.  Does it then surprise you that the 'white belt' then tries to bring anything to the fight that will earn a kill (skilless or not).  If you take some of your '10th degree Black Belt' knowledge and impart it on the newbie, his/her skills will improve, fights will improve, and your enjoyment of the game (as you describe it) will improve.

Sure, eventually we will all learn something or other, but the faster we teach the newer players, the faster they improve and the faster the game improves for all of us.

to all and espeically the AH Trainers.

(Side note.... can I get my lesson soon?  I am tired of getting schooled the old way.)       It gets tiring walking back to base.

[68ROX]

68ROX

[MajIssue]

Originally posted by NCLawman
Just out of curiousity.........

For all those that are commenting about the lack of training and skill of the "nuber" pilots, how many of you are AH Trainers?

I keep reading comments about how one newbie or another flew straight into combat and got 'vulched', 'picked', 'roped', etc.. 5 times in a row.  "I guess he should start to rethink his tactics rather than just upping the next uber plane."  

Just for discussion sake (and this is NOT a dig at anyone) after you roped/ stalled/picked the same guy 5 times on the same flight, does that not at least show the newber has the dilligence and desire to engage.  Why not then send a message and take him/her to the TA and show him how/why he keeps getting beat rather than pointing to the HANGER LIST and telling him to pick the next one. (Though I expect it is great for score when they do it this way.)

New guys are NOT going to learn ACM (like everyone seems to want) by just picking a different plane.  They learn ACM, flight - fight tactics, and 'ethics' from the vets who take the time to teach them.  Rather than just telling him to pick a non-uber plane.  Tell him to pick the hurri-1 and then teach him to fly it.  

Want to get rid of HOs and rams?  Teach the newb an option other than HO and ram.  To many, that is their only weapon or defense.  Some of you forget that you are a relative '10th degree black belt' going against a white belt.  Does it then surprise you that the 'white belt' then tries to bring anything to the fight that will earn a kill (skilless or not).  If you take some of your '10th degree Black Belt' knowledge and impart it on the newbie, his/her skills will improve, fights will improve, and your enjoyment of the game (as you describe it) will improve.

Sure, eventually we will all learn something or other, but the faster we teach the newer players, the faster they improve and the faster the game improves for all of us.

to all and espeically the AH Trainers.

(Side note.... can I get my lesson soon?  I am tired of getting schooled the old way.)       It gets tiring walking back to base.

Agreed... good post.

My ACM skills could use some brushing up as well.

But I WILL up a Spixteen to try to break up a cap on a base... Say what you want, with the combo of 20mm Hispanos, the turn radius of a vespa, and the climb rate of a "rocket", I am hard pressed to come up with a better ride to engage in low level combat "on the runway". I rarely fly the LA because of the limited endurance, and the pony turns like a Mack truck low and slow...

[The Fugitive]

By looking at some of these "faces behind the names" threads going you can see that quit a few of the players are kids. Kids are to much into the "need it now", and "I know everything" to take kindly to advice. Most, like ROX said "Hop in one of the UBER-RIDES and HO EVERYTHING in sight."

While I'm no "ace", I don't have a problem with anyone asking me questions. If I can help, I will. If I think what they are asking is over my head, I'll try to point them in the right direction to find good help. But trying to suggest something to one of these guys.... well you might as well kick their puppy and call their mother a ho for the response you get from most of them.

Is the game doomed??? no, but we will have to put up with these kinds of attitudes from time to time.  The game is what YOU make of it. Another thread had someone crying about "all these mustangs that just dive out and run". Well its up to you, if you like chasing them up in fast planes, if you don't, don't chase them! Not to tuff to figure out. Some guys/kids are talking trash about how good they are, and challenge everyone but the skilled player to DA. More power to them, I know how to squelch  

Play the game, have fun, ignore the crap that floats to the surface now and then.

[Hawk55]

Originally posted by Anaxogoras
What are you flying?  In my experience, the only La-7's that don't turn well are trying to turn in the horizontal, and are going way too fast.  The plane handles like a dream.

I agree!  

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by NCLawman
I keep reading comments about how one newbie or another flew straight into combat and got 'vulched', 'picked', 'roped', etc.. 5 times in a row.  "I guess he should start to rethink his tactics rather than just upping the next uber plane."  

Just for discussion sake (and this is NOT a dig at anyone) after you roped/ stalled/picked the same guy 5 times on the same flight, does that not at least show the newber has the dilligence and desire to engage.  Why not then send a message and take him/her to the TA and show him how/why he keeps getting beat rather than pointing to the HANGER LIST and telling him to pick the next one. (Though I expect it is great for score when they do it this way.)

I know you said ... "and this is NOT a dig at anyone" ... but I can't help but to respond because the "meat" of the above references the post that I made.

I did say in my post that I sent a message on 200 ... that he needed more speed and altitude before trying to engage me.

That was my introduction to him to start a conversation to further discuss, if he wanted. I have sent similar messages to people and have be told to stick it where the sun don't shine.

I didn't get any response ... maybe he didn't have 200 tuned ... I don't know. I have done this with many people that I have engaged that exhibited behavior that told me ... "He is new" ... and some chose to respond back inquiring what else needed to be done, and I then spent time helping them.

On the other hand, how many times are you going to put your hand on a hot stove element ? ... 5 times before you realize that it burns/hurts ? I don't think so.

[crockett]

Originally posted by NCLawman
Just out of curiousity.........

For all those that are commenting about the lack of training and skill of the "nuber" pilots, how many of you are AH Trainers?

I keep reading comments about how one newbie or another flew straight into combat and got 'vulched', 'picked', 'roped', etc.. 5 times in a row.  "I guess he should start to rethink his tactics rather than just upping the next uber plane."  

Just for discussion sake (and this is NOT a dig at anyone) after you roped/ stalled/picked the same guy 5 times on the same flight, does that not at least show the newber has the dilligence and desire to engage.  Why not then send a message and take him/her to the TA and show him how/why he keeps getting beat rather than pointing to the HANGER LIST and telling him to pick the next one. (Though I expect it is great for score when they do it this way.)

New guys are NOT going to learn ACM (like everyone seems to want) by just picking a different plane.  They learn ACM, flight - fight tactics, and 'ethics' from the vets who take the time to teach them.  Rather than just telling him to pick a non-uber plane.  Tell him to pick the hurri-1 and then teach him to fly it.  

Want to get rid of HOs and rams?  Teach the newb an option other than HO and ram.  To many, that is their only weapon or defense.  Some of you forget that you are a relative '10th degree black belt' going against a white belt.  Does it then surprise you that the 'white belt' then tries to bring anything to the fight that will earn a kill (skilless or not).  If you take some of your '10th degree Black Belt' knowledge and impart it on the newbie, his/her skills will improve, fights will improve, and your enjoyment of the game (as you describe it) will improve.

Sure, eventually we will all learn something or other, but the faster we teach the newer players, the faster they improve and the faster the game improves for all of us.

to all and espeically the AH Trainers.

(Side note.... can I get my lesson soon?  I am tired of getting schooled the old way.)       It gets tiring walking back to base.

I've been flying a little over a year now and not once have I spent any time with a trainer. Just lots of getting my butt kicked, tought me what not to do and it's still teaching me today.

Losing is your best teacher and being willing to lose and not give a dam about score is the best thing a noob can do.

[FALCONWING]

Originally posted by Banshee7
I have seen in my AH experience that newbies just HAVE to fly the P51 because they've seen Dogfights a few times too many.  Once they realize it's not that easy of a plane to fly they move to spits and LAs.  Me personally, I hate LA7s and the only time I fly them is for base defense.  LA5's aren't that much of a problem.  And the only Spits that give me a problem are the Spixteens.  They seem to be able to dive, turn, run...you name it (same with the LA)

All in all,  I think the LA7 has regained it's popularity and become the dweeb ride of all dweebs and newbies alike.

#S#

Banshee7

Do you post in here because you are too young for a MySpace page???

Your comments are drivel and lack any sense of reality...your observations are superficial and your analysis of aforementioned observations reveals a cluttered mind...

Perhaps the reason many folks fly La-7s and Spits is because they dont have wingmen or lots of experience and enjoy staying alive as long as they can...

You speak like your a vet but I have no idea who you are?  Your k/d in fiters over the last 4 tours has never gotten to 2:1..same with your Attack score?

Your later post actually illuminates the fog you exist in...you choose to fly mostly 51s...you play a game with 20+ fiters to choose from and limit yourself to one...to no suprise you "hate" a plane that is faster and a better turner than the one you espouse...

(p.s. you can lie about your age on myspace)

[hubsonfire]

Careful, Falc- his dad is the "squad enforcer", and he'll have words with you if you don't back off.